Miscellaneous: Something smells fishy in Erud's Crossing

[Jimjam]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Barren_Flounder
Look on the item ID on this thing - it is way out of timeline, no?
https://eqdb.net/item/detail/22761

Currently it is in the catch pool for Erud's Crossing (and maybe Erudin or S Qeynos? I was fishing a while on that boat).

Please delete this unclassic filth (and fix the fishing tables in the needful zones).

Thankyoubye.

[Zuranthium]

Trying to rob people of their fishy meals right after the food change got put in. What a pirate.

[nilbog]

Here is a link from 2001 listing the fish, so it's at least in the timeline.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010410...shing_zone.htm

If anyone wants to otherwise review a list of fish to check if they are not classic:

10lb Fetid Bass,11lb Fetid Bass,12lb Fetid Bass,13lb Fetid Bass,14lb Fetid Bass,15lb Fetid Bass,16lb Fetid Bass,17lb Fetid Bass,2lb Fetid Bass,3lb Fetid Bass,4lb Fetid Bass,5lb Fetid Bass,6lb Fetid Bass,7lb Fetid Bass,8lb Fetid Bass,9lb Fetid Bass,A Black Cod Card,A Blue Cod Card,A Red Cod Card,A White Cod Card,Barren Flounder,Boar Carp,Cauldron Trout,Cave Guppy,Chokai Bass,Clockwork Koi,Cobalt Cod,Crystalline Cave Fish,Danak Grouper,Despair Chub,Dragon Bay Snapper,Evergreen Salmon,Fogwater Trout,Frosty Cave Trout,Giant Fetid Bass,Gigantic Fetid Bass,Greengill Salmon,Grotto Bluegill,Gunthak Mackerel,Hatch Dace,Highland Pike,Hound Pike,Humongous Fetid Bass,Iceclad Cutlassfish,Ikfish,Kedge Carp,Kerra Catfish,Koada Cichlid,Krup Guppy,Kunzar Koi,Large Fetid Bass,Pine Cichlid,Rathe Muskie,Red Roughy,Rujarkian Chub,Ry`Gorrian Toothfish,Salt Minnow,Saltwater Seaweed,Salty Whitefish,Sewer Catfish,Sponge Mushroom,Stonefish,Thullian Mudskipper,Thunder Salmon,Timorous Tuna,tiny Fetid Bass,Weary Wrass,Wulf Fish

[Ennewi]

Jimjam Swimswam

[Jimjam]

Shame on me. Thanks Nilbog!

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a link from 2001 listing the fish, so it's at least in the timeline.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010410...shing_zone.htm

If anyone wants to otherwise review a list of fish to check if they are not classic:

I don't think Weary Wrass are obtainable on P99, unless it's been fixed already.

[Passenger]

From Nilbog's link we see mention of a Bloodfin Trout fished from the Lake of Ill Omen. That one is missing from the P99 database query.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628....html?skill=15

RE: Exotic Fish
By: mymaku
Posted @ Thu, Mar 29th 11:24 PM [2001]

Reeled in a ton of bloodfin trouts in Lake of Ill Omen; they sold for a little over two times as much as fresh fish.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628...picID=18.topic

Tellemar
(4/3/01 10:12:07 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

Some of these, (like the gunthak makeral) have been around for a while, but most are new. Also, A new fish i just caught in the Lake of Ill Omen is the bloodfin trout, sells for 4.5 silver each to vendors with 70 charisma, is edible and i caught them every time with a skill of around 140 (can't remember exactly).

It was apparently removed from the lake in summer 2002, but should be fishable in P99's timeline.

Zone			items reeled in
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Lake of Ill Omen	none (Bloodfin Trout used to be available in this zone, but now appear to be extinct)
...

A fair number of the zone-specific fish were added in Mar2001, a few others in Sept2000. Do any have era flags set?

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The Salt Minnow shouldn't be fishable on P99. It's part of the long-broken Hollow Skull/Skull of Torment quest.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030817...picID=88.topic

Feninie
(5/19/03 3:21 am)
The Hollow skull - new thread

For old discussion please see this thread:

pub8.ezboard.com/foldunso...D=24.topic


Also see

everquest.allakhazam.com/...quest=2177


The Tower Cook's Head (aka The Hollow Skull)

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Salt minnow was not in game for a long time, however popped up on test early May 2003 ( mboards.eqtraders.com/php...3057#53057 )


The May 14 2003 patch included this info, at this time Salt Minnow was thought to have entered the live servers.

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- https://web.archive.org/web/20031125...art=21&stop=40

vhiash
(6/11/03 1:45 pm)
Salt Minnow

Was fishing today (Wed June 11, 2003) in East Cabilis for the catfish... Also got a salt minnow (live on Firiona Vie). Go to it peeps =)

Zorraak
(6/11/03 4:04 pm)
Re: Salt Minnow

I can confirm that Salt Minnows are live - I caught two of them on E'Ci today after the patch.

I already had some Zombie Skin and a Bixie Honeycomb ... however the combination of:

Zombie Skin
Zombie Skin
Honeycomb
Salt Minnow

was a DNC in the Cabilis oven. I'm still looking for "Zombie Flesh" ... anyone ever seen it?

Zorraak - 63 Warlock - E'Ci

[nilbog]

Our per-zone fishing implementation currently has no functionality for 'rule-basing' eras. I'll work on getting this added.

Itemizing fish per zone (and rules) would probably be a good crowd source/research project due to the limited scope.

[nilbog]

Added rule support for fishing; each zone may now have individual rules per possible fished items.

-Removed Salt Minnow
-Added Bloodfin Trout to lakeofillomen

Here is the complete list.

akanon	Clockwork Koi	
blackburrow	Hound Pike	
butcher	Stonefish	
butcher	Saltwater Seaweed	
cabeast	11lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	15lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	3lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	7lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Gigantic Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabeast	10lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	14lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	2lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	6lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Giant Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabeast	tiny Fetid Bass	
cabeast	13lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	17lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	5lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	9lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Sewer Catfish	
cabeast	12lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	16lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	4lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	8lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Humongous Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	10lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	14lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	2lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	6lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Giant Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	tiny Fetid Bass	
cabwest	13lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	17lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	5lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	9lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Sewer Catfish	
cabwest	12lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	16lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	4lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	8lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Humongous Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	11lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	15lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	3lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	7lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Gigantic Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cauldron	Cauldron Trout	
chardok	Chokai Bass	
citymist	Ikfish	
citymist	Fogwater Trout	
cobaltscar	Cobalt Cod	
cobaltscar	Dragon Bay Snapper	
crushbone	Boar Carp	
crystal	Crystalline Cave Fish	
eastkarana	Thunder Salmon	
eastwastes	Ry`Gorrian Toothfish	
erudsxing	Barren Flounder	
feerrott	Thullian Mudskipper	
felwithea	Koada Cichlid	
felwitheb	Koada Cichlid	
firiona	13lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	17lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	5lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	9lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	Sewer Catfish	
firiona	12lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	16lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	4lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	8lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Humongous Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	Saltwater Seaweed	
firiona	11lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	15lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	3lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	7lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Gigantic Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	10lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	14lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	2lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	6lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Giant Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	tiny Fetid Bass	
highpass	Highland Pike	
hole	Hatch Dace	
iceclad	Salty Whitefish	
iceclad	Iceclad Cutlassfish	
innothule	Thullian Mudskipper	
innothule	Rujarkian Chub	
kael	Frosty Cave Trout	
karnor	Wulf Fish	
kedge	Kedge Carp	
kerraridge	Kerra Catfish	
lakeofillomen	Bloodfin Trout	
lakerathe	Rathe Muskie	
mischiefplane	A Black Cod Card	
mischiefplane	A White Cod Card	
mischiefplane	A Red Cod Card	
mischiefplane	A Blue Cod Card	
northkarana	Thunder Salmon	
nurga	Sponge Mushroom	
nurga	Cave Guppy	
oot	Saltwater Seaweed	
oot	Gunthak Mackerel	
overthere	Danak Grouper	
qey2hh1	Thunder Salmon	
qrg	Pine Cichlid	
sebilis	Kunzar Koi	
sirens	Grotto Bluegill	
sleeper	Weary Wrass	
southkarana	Thunder Salmon	
swampofnohope	Krup Guppy	
swampofnohope	Despair Chub	
timorous	Saltwater Seaweed	
timorous	Timorous Tuna	
tox	Greengill Salmon	
warslikswood	Evergreen Salmon	
westwastes	Red Roughy

If there are any changes needed, for example an item wasn't able to be fished until X date, it can be reported like:

butcher Saltwater Seaweed Sep2000.

This one caught my eye because I believe that is used in dyes, and possibly needs a rule attached.

The fishing system itself was in bad shape, and I made many other changes while I was working on this. Those will be reported in other threads.

[Passenger]

I was working through some merchant items, so I just made a new sheet:
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1258607884

As far as I can tell, there were 3 main eras of fish expansion: Apr2000, Sept2000, and Mar2001 (+PoM). Zone-specific fish were first released with Kunark. Sept2000 saw the addition of the tackle box, lure and fish egg recipes, and a few fish (salmon/mackerel) used in those fish egg recipes. Then in Mar2001, we see unique fish being added to a number of Old World and Velious zones.

From Allakhazam's early fishing page:
May2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000511...ls/Fishing.htm

As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece).

Jun2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000613...ls/Fishing.htm

As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
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Kunark Fishing Catches:

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed.
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Oct2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20001008...ls/Fishing.htm

As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, and now in some other zones, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
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Zone-specific Fishing Catches: (you need a skill over 100 to catch some of these)

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
The Karanas - Thunder Salmon
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Nurga - Cave Guppy
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed; Gunthak Mackarel
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Toxxulia Forest - Greengill Salmon
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Comments on Illweed Reed and Wet Clay
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030118...e=35&id=167395

Submited by: Moort Wurmtooth On: 7/13/2000 6:36:59 AM
I have never fished an illweed reed from the lake. I am a master fisherman and spent most of my time raising my skill here fishing. NADA! If anyone on POVAR has any of these i am looking for 4 of em.

Submited by: matt tate On: 8/3/2000 8:01:17 AM
I have fished out illweed. Been a while though. May have accidently got broken

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030803...html?quest=200

Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Jul 14th 9:46 AM 2000
By: Mannra Mystikclaw

I have used over 200 bait as of Jul 13 and no Illweed reeds or wet clay are able to be fished anymore for some reason

RE: Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Sep 22nd 11:58 PM 2000
By: Anonymous

as of sept 23 i have gotten my fishing skill to master and still no illweed

Illweed Reed
Posted @ Wed, Apr 25th 8:34 AM 2001
By: Lolanda

Yesterday I foraged one with my ranger. Put down the poles, and get to foraging.

Meorum
Proud Member of Couer de Lion
Morrel-Thule

Reeds and Clay
Posted @ Wed, May 9th 1:56 AM 2001
By: Anonymous

Wet Clay Forages in Overthere.
I regularly Forage IllWeed Reeds in Lake of Ill Omen.

Sept2000

- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/xWtW5Pcprx4J

Watchman
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

The patch message said there's more to catch when fishing, has anyone caught
anything new?

John M Clancy
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught Thunder Salmon in South Karana. It has a different graphic than
the fresh fish and sells for twice as much.

James@work
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I was catching Gunthak Makerel and Saltwater Seaweed in the Ocean of Tears.

John C-W
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught some seaweed in OOT a couple of weeks ago so that one's not new.

A reference to Greengil Salmon a few days after the patch (not captured):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20001018...creenshots.asp

Fishing for Greengill Salmon - Magpye - 9/24/2000 8:55:25 AM