Miscellaneous: Something smells fishy in Erud's Crossing

[nilbog]

Our per-zone fishing implementation currently has no functionality for 'rule-basing' eras. I'll work on getting this added.

Itemizing fish per zone (and rules) would probably be a good crowd source/research project due to the limited scope.

[nilbog]

Added rule support for fishing; each zone may now have individual rules per possible fished items.

-Removed Salt Minnow
-Added Bloodfin Trout to lakeofillomen

Here is the complete list.

akanon	Clockwork Koi	
blackburrow	Hound Pike	
butcher	Stonefish	
butcher	Saltwater Seaweed	
cabeast	11lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	15lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	3lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	7lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Gigantic Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabeast	10lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	14lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	2lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	6lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Giant Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabeast	tiny Fetid Bass	
cabeast	13lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	17lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	5lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	9lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Sewer Catfish	
cabeast	12lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	16lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	4lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	8lb Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Humongous Fetid Bass	
cabeast	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	10lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	14lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	2lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	6lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Giant Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	tiny Fetid Bass	
cabwest	13lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	17lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	5lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	9lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Sewer Catfish	
cabwest	12lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	16lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	4lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	8lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Humongous Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cabwest	11lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	15lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	3lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	7lb Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Gigantic Fetid Bass	
cabwest	Large Fetid Bass	
cauldron	Cauldron Trout	
chardok	Chokai Bass	
citymist	Ikfish	
citymist	Fogwater Trout	
cobaltscar	Cobalt Cod	
cobaltscar	Dragon Bay Snapper	
crushbone	Boar Carp	
crystal	Crystalline Cave Fish	
eastkarana	Thunder Salmon	
eastwastes	Ry`Gorrian Toothfish	
erudsxing	Barren Flounder	
feerrott	Thullian Mudskipper	
felwithea	Koada Cichlid	
felwitheb	Koada Cichlid	
firiona	13lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	17lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	5lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	9lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	Sewer Catfish	
firiona	12lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	16lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	4lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	8lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Humongous Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	Saltwater Seaweed	
firiona	11lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	15lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	3lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	7lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Gigantic Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	10lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	14lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	2lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	6lb Fetid Bass	
firiona	Giant Fetid Bass	
firiona	Large Fetid Bass	
firiona	tiny Fetid Bass	
highpass	Highland Pike	
hole	Hatch Dace	
iceclad	Salty Whitefish	
iceclad	Iceclad Cutlassfish	
innothule	Thullian Mudskipper	
innothule	Rujarkian Chub	
kael	Frosty Cave Trout	
karnor	Wulf Fish	
kedge	Kedge Carp	
kerraridge	Kerra Catfish	
lakeofillomen	Bloodfin Trout	
lakerathe	Rathe Muskie	
mischiefplane	A Black Cod Card	
mischiefplane	A White Cod Card	
mischiefplane	A Red Cod Card	
mischiefplane	A Blue Cod Card	
northkarana	Thunder Salmon	
nurga	Sponge Mushroom	
nurga	Cave Guppy	
oot	Saltwater Seaweed	
oot	Gunthak Mackerel	
overthere	Danak Grouper	
qey2hh1	Thunder Salmon	
qrg	Pine Cichlid	
sebilis	Kunzar Koi	
sirens	Grotto Bluegill	
sleeper	Weary Wrass	
southkarana	Thunder Salmon	
swampofnohope	Krup Guppy	
swampofnohope	Despair Chub	
timorous	Saltwater Seaweed	
timorous	Timorous Tuna	
tox	Greengill Salmon	
warslikswood	Evergreen Salmon	
westwastes	Red Roughy

If there are any changes needed, for example an item wasn't able to be fished until X date, it can be reported like:

butcher Saltwater Seaweed Sep2000.

This one caught my eye because I believe that is used in dyes, and possibly needs a rule attached.

The fishing system itself was in bad shape, and I made many other changes while I was working on this. Those will be reported in other threads.

[Passenger]

I was working through some merchant items, so I just made a new sheet:
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1258607884

As far as I can tell, there were 3 main eras of fish expansion: Apr2000, Sept2000, and Mar2001 (+PoM). Zone-specific fish were first released with Kunark. Sept2000 saw the addition of the tackle box, lure and fish egg recipes, and a few fish (salmon/mackerel) used in those fish egg recipes. Then in Mar2001, we see unique fish being added to a number of Old World and Velious zones.

From Allakhazam's early fishing page:
May2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000511...ls/Fishing.htm

As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece).

Jun2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000613...ls/Fishing.htm

As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
...
Kunark Fishing Catches:

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed.
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Oct2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20001008...ls/Fishing.htm

As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, and now in some other zones, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
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Zone-specific Fishing Catches: (you need a skill over 100 to catch some of these)

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
The Karanas - Thunder Salmon
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Nurga - Cave Guppy
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed; Gunthak Mackarel
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Toxxulia Forest - Greengill Salmon
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Comments on Illweed Reed and Wet Clay
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030118...e=35&id=167395

Submited by: Moort Wurmtooth On: 7/13/2000 6:36:59 AM
I have never fished an illweed reed from the lake. I am a master fisherman and spent most of my time raising my skill here fishing. NADA! If anyone on POVAR has any of these i am looking for 4 of em.

Submited by: matt tate On: 8/3/2000 8:01:17 AM
I have fished out illweed. Been a while though. May have accidently got broken

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030803...html?quest=200

Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Jul 14th 9:46 AM 2000
By: Mannra Mystikclaw

I have used over 200 bait as of Jul 13 and no Illweed reeds or wet clay are able to be fished anymore for some reason

RE: Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Sep 22nd 11:58 PM 2000
By: Anonymous

as of sept 23 i have gotten my fishing skill to master and still no illweed

Illweed Reed
Posted @ Wed, Apr 25th 8:34 AM 2001
By: Lolanda

Yesterday I foraged one with my ranger. Put down the poles, and get to foraging.

Meorum
Proud Member of Couer de Lion
Morrel-Thule

Reeds and Clay
Posted @ Wed, May 9th 1:56 AM 2001
By: Anonymous

Wet Clay Forages in Overthere.
I regularly Forage IllWeed Reeds in Lake of Ill Omen.

Sept2000

- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/xWtW5Pcprx4J

Watchman
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

The patch message said there's more to catch when fishing, has anyone caught
anything new?

John M Clancy
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught Thunder Salmon in South Karana. It has a different graphic than
the fresh fish and sells for twice as much.

James@work
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I was catching Gunthak Makerel and Saltwater Seaweed in the Ocean of Tears.

John C-W
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught some seaweed in OOT a couple of weeks ago so that one's not new.

A reference to Greengil Salmon a few days after the patch (not captured):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20001018...creenshots.asp

Fishing for Greengill Salmon - Magpye - 9/24/2000 8:55:25 AM

[Passenger]

Some of the Kunark dungeon fish were added to EQTraders over time.
Nov2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20001119...n/fishing.html
Mar2001 - https://web.archive.org/web/20010306...shing_zone.htm

(You can browse later captures using the Mar2001 link)

I suspect they were actually released with the launch of Kunark though. We see more or less what we would expect to see in terms of discovery: fish found at entry points to the continent (Timorous Deep, Overthere, and Firiona Vie), Iksar starting areas (Cabilis, SoNH, Warslik's), and the first 50+ leveling dungeons (CoM and Karnor's). Nurga shows up next. That Sebilis and Chardok appear last isn't too surprising.

Mar2001

The primary source I found for the March2001 additions was a thread on the EQTraders board. Three pages captured:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628...picID=18.topic
- https://web.archive.org/web/20020116...art=21&stop=40
- https://web.archive.org/web/20020116...art=61&stop=64

A helpful check that these were in fact new (for some of Velious zones at least) comes from another thread. CodFest2001, three pages captured:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010409...icID=816.topic
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010422...art=21&stop=40
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010422...art=41&stop=47

Tradeskillers were looking for Cobalt Cod to make the oil needed for Arctic Wyvern armor, so they fished all over Velious and reported their findings. No cod or any other unique fish was caught (late Feb2001 and again in early Mar2001).

Misc

This thread documented zones without any unique fish.

[Passenger]

The adjective of the fetid bass should be lower case. It was changed to upper case in 2003. Lucy documents the change:

- large Fetid Bass (18 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14997
- large Fetid Bass (19 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14999
- large Fetid Bass (20 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14917
- large Fetid Bass (21 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14918
- giant Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14919
- gigantic Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14939
- humongous Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14940

The tiny Fetid Bass appears to be lowercase already in the P99 database.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031104...icID=274.topic

Waverlyn
(6/8/02 10:44 pm)
Re: Need help collecting Data for EQTC Please

Are the names you have in the above post Verant's exact names?

Waverlyn Ladyfire of The Tempest Fates
Karana Server

Laurefin
(6/9/02 1:49 pm)
Re: Need help collecting Data for EQTC Please

Yes, they are the exact names. "large Fetid Bass" really is capitalized like that.

Laurefin

The table in the OP of the thread lists the other fetid bass adjectives in lowercase as well.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Passenger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The adjective of the fetid bass should be lower case. It was changed to upper case in 2003. Lucy documents the change:

- large Fetid Bass (18 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14997
- large Fetid Bass (19 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14999
- large Fetid Bass (20 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14917
- large Fetid Bass (21 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14918
- giant Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14919
- gigantic Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14939
- humongous Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14940

The tiny Fetid Bass appears to be lowercase already in the P99 database.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031104...icID=274.topic



The table in the OP of the thread lists the other fetid bass adjectives in lowercase as well.

What about the other Fetid Bass?

2lb Fetid Bass
3lb Fetid Bass
4lb Fetid Bass
5lb Fetid Bass
6lb Fetid Bass
7lb Fetid Bass
8lb Fetid Bass
9lb Fetid Bass
10lb Fetid Bass
11lb Fetid Bass
12lb Fetid Bass
13lb Fetid Bass
14lb Fetid Bass
15lb Fetid Bass
16lb Fetid Bass
17lb Fetid Bass


Also, I saw in the research comments about requiring a specific skill to catch certain items (i.e. >= 100).

If these are documented anywhere, would be useful. We use a placeholder value, but have the ability to differentiate.

On that note, we also have the ability to provide a 'chance' per item, which is calculated when deciding the weight chance to produce the item vs the total of the 'pool'. So, if something was known to be exceptionally rare to catch, we can do that.

[Passenger]

This in-era list matches the casing of the names in the June 2002 table but includes an "a" in the name.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010803...picID=43.topic

mcdermit
(4/20/01 8:01:20 am)
FV Fishing Trip (Fetid Bass Findings)

I burnt through 7 stacks of bait in FV yesterday at skill 168-175, and thought I'd post what I found about the fish there.

It looks like there's one fetid bass there for every weight from 0.1-2.5, plus the rare Fresh Fish and that No Drop fish (Sewer Catfish?). The tiny, large and giant Fetid Bass were much less common for me than the others. About 15% of my catch were feast-classed fish.

Here's how they're named and how sustaining they are:

wt 0.1 = a tiny Fetid Bass, snack
wt 0.2 = a 2lb Fetid Bass, meal
wt 0.3 = a 3lb Fetid Bass, meal
wt 0.4 = a 4lb Fetid Bass, meal
wt 0.5 = a 5lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.6 = a 6lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.7 = a 7lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.8 = a 8lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.9 = a 9lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 1.0 = a 10lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.1 = a 11lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.2 = a 12lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.3 = a 13lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.4 = a 14lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.5 = a 15lb Fetid Bass, feast
wt 1.6 = a 16lb Fetid Bass, feast
wt 1.7 = a 17lb Fetid Bass, feast
wt 1.8 = a large Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 1.9 = a large Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 2.0 = a large Fetid Bass, meal
wt 2.1 = a large Fetid Bass, meal
wt 2.2 = a giant Fetid Bass, meal
wt 2.3 I didn't catch
wt 2.4 I didn't catch
wt 2.5 = a humongous Fetid Bass, hearty meal

Zwobu <Trade Foundation> Innoruuk

This appears to be a setup guide for an incomplete EQ emulator using data from ShowEQ. Its last update is 7/30/2001, though the data doesn't appear to include Velious. In most cases, this would be a less than useful source, however, it does contain the following in its item database:

...
14917 - a large Fetid Bass
14918 - a large Fetid Bass
14918 - a giant Fetid Bass
...
14940 - a humongous Fetid Bass
...
14967 - a tiny Fetid Bass
...
14981 - a small Fetid Bass
14982 - a small Fetid Bass
14983 - a small Fetid Bass
14984 - a small Fetid Bass
14985 - a small Fetid Bass
14986 - a small Fetid Bass
14987 - a 8lb Fetid Bass
14988 - a 9lb Fetid Bass
14989 - Fetid Bass
14990 - Fetid Bass
14991 - Fetid Bass
14992 - a 13lb Fetid Bass
14993 - Fetid Bass
14994 - Fetid Bass
14995 - Fetid Bass
14996 - Fetid Bass
14997 - a large Fetid Bass
...
14999 - a large Fetid Bass
...

Perhaps unsurprisingly, not all the bass are accounted for, but the naming scheme is consistent with the Velious-era post above.

It seems there may have actually been "a small Fetid Bass" as well.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040215...10/5363655/p1/

denadari_needs_ign_merge$$$
Date Posted: 7/26/00 7:24am
Subject: RE: What can you get fishing?

You get many interesting types of fish from the waters in Kunark. You get many different weights of their fetid bass, while pretty cool can be quite a pain cause they dont' stack unless they are the same weight. Also Sewer Catfish, Timorous Tuna, small fetid bass, and the usual fresh fish, daggers, and sandals happy.gif I hear you can catch different stuff in OOT too.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030216...how&IID=166183

Submited by: Maxiom On: 4/25/2001 5:51:45 PM

Using Lures, i was catching Fetid Bass that actually showed the weight,
ranging from '2 lb Fetid Bass' to '17 lb Fetid Bass'. When i used regular old
bait or foraged grubs i got a less descriptive Fetid Bass like 'a small Fetid Bass'
or 'a large Fetid Bass'. I wonder if the Lures give you a different fish or if this
was just coincidence.

These are the only two comments I could find that reference it though, and there would still be a question of how much it weighed.

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Also, I found a live capture of page 3 of the "New Fish Found" thread on a different ezboard subdomain. It confirms a couple more fish added (Grotto Bluegill, Hatch Dace, Red Roughy).