The absolute state of AI results.

[sammoHung]

Saw Cazel up yesterday, and have never killed him. I logged to my necro, and ran from EC to Oasis ready to be the hero of the lowbies.

For some reason, I had it in my mind that Cazel was immune to fear - so I took some time to strategize. I pulled open Google.com and searched "necro solo cazel p99". This is what the AI overview spit out:

Solo tactics for Necromancers
Cazel is a level 51 mob who is snareable, fearable, and slowable, making him vulnerable to standard Necromancer crowd-control tactics.

Oh, perfect! Standard fear-kite then. I was curious though, so I read on...

Fear kiting
This is the most common solo strategy and leverages the Necromancer's full toolkit.
Pull and position. Pull Cazel to a clear area of Greater Faydark to begin the kite. Ensure you have room to maneuver without pulling other mobs.

Wait... what?

Snare and fear. Apply a snare spell like Clinging Darkness to prevent Cazel from outrunning you, then cast Screaming Terror to fear him. Cazel is a level 51 mob, so a level 50+ Necromancer should land fear reliably.

Uhhhhh....

Apply damage over time (DoTs). Once Cazel is running, apply your full stack of mana-efficient DoTs. Ignite Bones is a strong option.

Ummmmm..

Mana efficiency: Necromancers can be very mana-efficient soloists. Use your passive mana regeneration spells like Leech and Siphon Life along with Feign Death and your ability to med while sitting.

0 for 4 here, AI overview - what gives? It went on to describe sending a pet in to conserve mana, and Cazel fleeing. Ok.. but... then it had another section..

This strategy is an alternative that allows you to use a charmed NPC as a damage shield against Cazel.
Prep the vendors. In the area where Cazel roams, find the vendors and root two of them close together.
Lure Cazel. Pull Cazel and charm him using an undead charm spell.
Use charmed Cazel. Send your charmed Cazel to attack the two rooted vendors. Their combined damage output can overcome Cazel's innate regeneration.

I typically search on google -ai to avoid shit like this - but good lord. This is the cutting edge AI software that Google is so eager to roll out. It got just about every detail wrong in this overview. Luckily for me, a seasoned EQ player - I saw all the discrepancies.... but...

What if this was, let's say: wrong info about the Heimlich maneuver? Wrong info about managing accidental poison ingestion... Or, maybe somebody with an important job in safety Googles a how-to, and get's this AI overview as a response...

Are we cooked? I think we're cooked.

[Ekco]

i asked Google's Gemini to write me up a solo guide for my 52 pally, explicitly told it just pull in info from project1999.com forum posts, ignore info from live

thing came up with galaxy brain suggestions like i should camp Maestro in hate and it hallucinationed spells that don't exist and that paladins can cast enchanter spells

it seems uniquely and consistently terrible at giving eq advice for some reason, i assume it was too niche a subject, the data it trained on from p99/eq subreddits werent sufficent enough? unsure i did corrected it about paladin spells and stuff so hopefully were fixing it slowly

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i asked Google's Gemini to write me up a solo guide for my 52 pally, explicitly told it just pull in info from project1999.com forum posts, ignore info from live

thing came up with galaxy brain suggestions like i should camp Maestro in hate and it hallucinationed spells that don't exist and that paladins can cast enchanter spells

it seems uniquely and consistently terrible at giving eq advice for some reason, i assume it was too niche a subject, the data it trained on from p99/eq subreddits werent sufficent enough? unsure i did corrected it about paladin spells and stuff so hopefully were fixing it slowly

LLMs are only good with stuff lots of people write. EQ, and specifically P99 EQ, has an order of magnitude of thousands of players. Between this forum and Reddit we generate a lot of writing about P99, but not enough to properly "teach" the AI.

I bet if you ask it questions about Fortnight or WoW it does a lot better.

[shovelquest]

The thing is people think AI reads everything ever written and then writes stuff.

It doesnt.

That would melt the planet in terms of power usage.

It grabs a small sections of saved data, and a searches (like from a google) and reads those webpages, and then spits out an answer.

There are some basic "algortythms" that are written by programmers who went to boot camps in the 2010s to write algorithms for social media.

Those programmers guess the best sources and ways for for their application to search and feed the AI information to read.

Which is why you get shitty results now. Even chat GPT 3 looked at a larger pool of text than chat gpt 4 or 5.

Ai could give you the right answers, but it is not cost effective to do that, so it's just clippy now.

The old saying, you use 10% of your brain, well we use 0.000001% of AI's.

[shovelquest]

Also anyone who was afraid of AI or thought we should ban it should appologize.

They should say:

Wow. I really over reacted. It turns out it was just a tool, and not un-like any other technological advancement that came before it.

I really freaked out and thought the devil was going to remove poetry from earth and make humans all kill themselves out of depression.

I don't know what came over me, I apologize to all the people who were enjoying this new human invention.

They are not clanker loving fascists that work for satan and want to consume the human soul after all.

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also anyone who was afraid of AI or thought we should ban it should appologize.

never admitting you were wrong is apparently a very strong evolutionary trait

not only weren't they wrong, but they knew it all along, you see.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

never admitting you were wrong is apparently a very strong evolutionary trait

not only weren't they wrong, but they knew it all along, you see.

At least I know I’m above them.

I was wrong.

Wrong thinking they would learn and grow.

[atomicpaul]

yeah but i have an aversion to pissing upwind

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is why you get shitty results now. Even chat GPT 3 looked at a larger pool of text than chat gpt 4 or 5.

yeah with apparently people saying "thanks" costing millions they're obviously trying to reign in the compute costs and i assume that the way these neural net black boxes work trying to find the sweet spot between the thing actually giving the answer wanted but also being cheap enough to run at scale for profit is prolly impossible lol

"Whoops, anyway let's pivot to quantum computing and spend money on that now" - insane CEO man

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Whoops, anyway let's pivot to quantum computing and spend money on that now" - insane CEO man

It's crazy that the entire human species is waiting for 1 anomalous mutated brain to grow up, follow a path that leads to, and has the drive to come up with the solution.

Like, we're tribal species, so we think it's a "we" thing. But there's been 1 shakesphere in 2000 years.

There's been 1 einstein since the invention of mathmatics.

There's been 1 steve jobs and we use 1 phone that everyone else copies.

its just crazy to me that all of our futures, the direction our entire species goes, is contingent on some 3 year old not getting run over by a bus and inventing a process that we decide we can't live without or changes the way we do everything.