Is it possible to download the wiki to have it locally?

[Goregasmic]

When you want to lull from out of LOS you're going to spam consider a fair bit every time to see if faction goes from X to threatening when it lands, that's your cue to bail out if it does.

I don't use pigparse UI but if it pulls up the wiki page every time...

[loramin]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure it's you who's mistaken. I don't think you understand what PigParse is. It's not just a tunnelquest website, it's also a log-reading utility that does DPS parsing and mapping, and I guess loading all items the wiki lists as dropping from a mob every time you /con it.

Here's the ConHandler hitting the the WikiApi:
https://github.com/smasherprog/EqToo...Handler.cs#L46
Here's the WikiApi directly hitting the wiki:
https://github.com/smasherprog/EqToo...ikiApi.cs#L107

Sure don't see any caching happening.

If it's hitting the p99 wiki every time any player using pigparse /cons a mob, that's a lot more than "one page, even a few times". And sure, I'm aware of the difference between that and an non-rate-limited multithreaded crawler, but unless you have some special insight into wiki traffic from being an administrator, neither of us knows whether the wiki slowness is caused by crawlers or something else. In contrast, the issue pointed out by Mattson is a real source of a nontrivial amount of unnecessary traffic. So why bother responding dissmissively if you're not even going to put in the effort to understand what the issue is?

It seems like the maintainer is aware that this is... not a best practice, and I see some (unfinished) work today to begin to implement caching:
https://github.com/smasherprog/EqToo...0ae286a691d333

So PigParse is DDOSing our wiki? Awesome! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I googled and saw an auction site. I can't be responsible for every tool and knowing how they all work ... I just figured no dev would be so stupid (and cruel) as to effectively encourage users to DDOS the wiki!

But, to be fair, I'm still unclear how many users it has, how often they spam the "take down the wiki" button, etc. If it only results in a few requests per user per minute, that's the same as a human wiki user (and not a problem). But if it's making a whole bunch of requests per second, frequently ... the PigParse dev is a true jerk, and Rogean should block the tool from wiki access.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So PigParse is DDOSing our wiki? Awesome! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I googled and saw an auction site. I can't be responsible for every tool and knowing how they all work ... I just figured no dev would be so stupid (and cruel) as to effectively encourage users to DDOS the wiki!

But, to be fair, I'm still unclear how many users it has, how often they spam the "take down the wiki" button, etc. If it only results in a few requests per user per minute, that's the same as a human wiki user (and not a problem). But if it's making a whole bunch of requests per second, frequently ... the PigParse dev is a true jerk, and Rogean should block the tool from wiki access.

To be clear I'm not trying to start any beef with you. I like and respect you, and you do far more for this community than most other players.

I don't expect you to know every tool and how they work. But I do expect you to do better than dismissively deny the possibility that a tool you don't know about does <a thing>. Besides, I know you've seen the quality of code that other p99 enthusiasts have written - expecting amateurs to meet professional standards isn't very reasonable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And for sure, none of us have visibility into why the wiki's so slow, whether this tool is a significant source of traffic, etc. But here's a simple Fermi estimate: 100 average concurrent Pigparse users who /con every 10 seconds on average vs 2000 Wiki users who view 100 pages a day on average.

Also, Rogean can't easily block the tool from wiki access since it's client-side logic, not server-side.

[loramin]

You've got me: I thought anyone coding a tool that hits the wiki would also understand how requests and servers work ... and with that understanding, wouldn't still write their code in a way that hurts the wiki.

So yeah, I'm a terrible person/poster for assuming other programmers aren't terrible people (and having to assume because I don't know every tool and how it's coded).

As for Rogean not being able to block the tool ... there are ways. Tools have patterns and make requests with those patterns. Again, I still have no idea if PigParse has even contributed, meaningfully, to the wiki issues ... but if it does, I'll personally volunteer to write code to block it from accessing the wiki ... if Rogean can't deal with it himself (I strongly suspect he can).

P.S. Also ... where did I ever rule out the idea that the tool could be responsible? Quote me, because all I see are words like "imagine" and "hope".

I truly don't understand why people on this forum need to attack others for what they imagine they've said. I've actually said plenty of things worth arguing over: pick one of them to start a fight over if you just want to argue with an Internet stranger.