Game Mechanics: Staff of Temperate Flux and Rod of Insidious Glamour Should not be useable on move

[Awsten_Tx]

Yah, im sensing some fuckery is afoot... But

[Mon Jul 02 00:50:37 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:43 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:43 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:44 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:50:45 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
All of these entries are 1 or 2 per second.

[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.

There as a shaman in this group as well casting Malaisment so probably explains it. Or very likely a slight server lag since there are no text reports for the next second...
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:44 2001] Geneshami begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:46 2001] Yath says, 'whoooo'

Also, Skippy and Brahamamamma were dual wizards in the group fighting blizzard spiders...
[Mon Aug 06 00:43:51 2001] Brahamamamma says, 'do u have staff of temp flux yet Skippy?'

[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
Divided by 2 is 3 per second.

[Mon Aug 06 00:44:06 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:06 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:06 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:06 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:06 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:06 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
Divided by 2 is 3 per second

[Mon Aug 06 00:44:07 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:07 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:07 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Aug 06 00:44:07 2001] A blizzard spider looks uncomfortable.

Divided by 2 is 2 per second.

Thank you very much for the citation, it was massively helpful in proving my point!

[Wayward]

[Mon Aug 06 00:44:05 2001] Awsten_Tx performs mental gymnastics. It is pathetic.

[Wayward]

You say people didn't kite like that, but they most certainly did. Many people here have said that's how they did it on their wizards, by spamming the flux staff.

PS: I have no dog in the fight, I don't raid and don't plan on it. I also didn't play a wizard back then, but nonetheless it's pretty telling of your personality that you refuse to admit you were mistaken in the face of many claims to the contrary.

[Awsten_Tx]

I dunno. I have found nothing but evidence that supports the patch notes.

If yall want to make personal attacks, I guess that just helps the cause?

I actually laughed a bit when I realized the 1 log excerpt actually was reflecting 2 wizards using their flux staff.

From what I've gathered the max Cast per second seems to be 3 or less.

[WarpathEQ]

Cherry picking evidence of someone casting something at the speed you've decided is the appropriate speed isn't valid evidence.

If there was really a delay in the item and someone was spamming it as fast as possible you would also see evidence of the key strokes returning errors, no different than if you try and spam any item that has a cast time. Anyone can cast anything slower than the allowed speed as in 99.99% of cases the use of the item doesn't improve just because you click it faster.

There has been plenty of evidence both in quotes and logs that has been posted here that was in era and supports the mechanics working identical to how they currently do on P99.

#ThreadClosed

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cherry picking evidence of someone casting something at the speed you've decided is the appropriate speed isn't valid evidence.

If there was really a delay in the item and someone was spamming it as fast as possible you would also see evidence of the key strokes returning errors, no different than if you try and spam any item that has a cast time. Anyone can cast anything slower than the allowed speed as in 99.99% of cases the use of the item doesn't improve just because you click it faster.

There has been plenty of evidence both in quotes and logs that has been posted here that was in era and supports the mechanics working identical to how they currently do on P99.

#ThreadClosed

odd statement from someone without a dog in the hunt?

Anyways find me evidence im wrong and Ill concede it, otherwise this continues to be on a path to get corrected.

Cheers!

edit* its worth mentioning since you brought it up. "You can't use that command right now..." is a local text notification, it does not go out to other people.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

odd statement from someone without a dog in the hunt?

Anyways find me evidence im wrong and Ill concede it, otherwise this continues to be on a path to get corrected.

Cheers!

edit* its worth mentioning since you brought it up. "You can't use that command right now..." is a local text notification, it does not go out to other people.

The evidence is all posted above. In the same files you unsuccessfully tried to cherry pick from.

It does all make sense now that you're confirmed Gluwen, typical behavior. Sorry you don't have because of flux staff mechanics.

Its a good thing we have log files directly from the wizard spamming the flux staffs showing the uncapped speed and 0 input errors. Nice try though.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The evidence is all posted above. In the same files you unsuccessfully tried to cherry pick from.

It does all make sense now that you're confirmed Gluwen, typical behavior. Sorry you don't have because of flux staff mechanics.

Its a good thing we have log files directly from the wizard spamming the flux staffs showing the uncapped speed and 0 input errors. Nice try though.

the log files are from a druid grouped with the wizard... Anything else i can clarify for you?

Also my forum name literally matching my discord name, I dont think it was ever any secret who I was (am?). I dunno /shrug.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There as a shaman in this group as well casting Malaisment so probably explains it. Or very likely a slight server lag since there are no text reports for the next second...

No shaman cast, or skipped second or second wizard in this one -

Edit: Just realized you mean the second after is skipped, but that's not how server lag works. The messages would be bunched up after a gap, not before.

[Mon Jul 02 00:52:17 2001] Reethon tells the group, 'I am feigning off an enthralled bulthar.'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:17 2001] Reethon says, 'WARNING, Monk feigning off an enthralled bulthar.'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:20 2001] Yath tells the group, 'damn right.'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:23 2001] Reethon tells the group, 'hahah'
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:24 2001] an enthralled bulthar was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:25 2001] An enthralled bulthar was pierced by thorns.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:25 2001] An enthralled bulthar gores YOU for 107 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:33 2001] an enthralled bulthar was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:33 2001] An enthralled bulthar was pierced by thorns.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:33 2001] An enthralled bulthar gores YOU for 49 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:37 2001] Brahamamamma begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar staggers from a blow to the head.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:39 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:40 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] an enthralled bulthar was hit by non-melee for 5 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar was pierced by thorns.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar gores YOU for 107 points of damage.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:41 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:42 2001] An enthralled bulthar looks uncomfortable.
[Mon Jul 02 00:52:44 2001] Geneshami begins to cast a spell.

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[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] ---------------------------
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [54 Disciple] Reethon (Human) <Order of Reverence>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Brahamamamma <Phoenix Crusaders>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [58 Beguiler] Ikabod (High Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Aeawen [DRUID]
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [60 Crusader] Ajoo (High Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [57 Templar] Purity (High Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [54 Minstrel] Karah (Wood Elf) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [52 Disciple] Yath (Human) <United Norrath Coalition>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [54 Mystic] Geneshami (Barbarian) <Order of Reverence>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [51 Champion] Gimme (Ogre) <United Norrath Coalition>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [53 Champion] Macleod (Barbarian) <The Grey Legion>
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Etha <United Norrath Coalition> [DRUID]
[Mon Jul 02 01:55:32 2001] There are 12 players in Siren's Grotto.

Also, Nina is a warrior for what it's worth. I didn't make any effort to separate the logs.

The lowest in-era ping I can recall seeing is ~275ms so it would've been difficult to cast more than ~5 times a second for that reason. I'm not sure what you're looking for at this point. A clear delineation between 5 and 3 times a second?

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No shaman cast, or skipped second or second wizard in this one -

Edit: Just realized you mean the second after is skipped, but that's not how server lag works. The messages would be bunched up after a gap, not before.



Also, Nina is a warrior for what it's worth. I didn't make any effort to separate the logs.

The lowest in-era ping I can recall seeing is ~275ms so it would've been difficult to cast more than ~5 times a second for that reason. I'm not sure what you're looking for at this point. A clear delineation between 5 and 3 times a second?

He's grasping at straws to try and get a well-known classic mechanic changed - because the mechanic is being used to win Vulak's from his guild.

It's a pathetic attempt, from a pathetic person to try and get nilbog to change something that will benefit his guild.

Everybody who owned a flux staff from the Sol Ro temple era of classic and onwards knows it was instant cast, usable on the run, and spammable. And it was not changed. Multiple people have corroborated this, and then Gluwen asked for logs to prove it:

When logs were given to prove it, he claimed he was still right. There is no proving this pathetic man-child wrong. He will die on this hill.