Game Mechanics: Staff of Temperate Flux and Rod of Insidious Glamour Should not be useable on move

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also find it doubtful he preserved his logs, then decided to use them as evidence, without posting g them.

Widely sharing your logs is obviously a privacy concern. He already mentioned providing them to the developers 3+ years ago so the final arbiters have what they need for authentication.

Skepticism is healthy. Attacking someone's credibility solely for providing evidence that doesn't fit your theory is not.

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For 2. I struggle to hit 5 cast on P99. On top of that I get 4 or 5 "you cannot use that command right now" message per second when I do.

That seems perfectly consistent with all the logs provided? Again, it's ping based. Try pulling your connection mid-cast of a spell.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Widely sharing your logs is obviously a privacy concern. He already mentioned providing them to the developers 3+ years ago so the final arbiters have what they need for authentication.

Skepticism is healthy. Attacking someone's credibility solely for providing evidence that doesn't fit your theory is not.



That seems perfectly consistent with all the logs provided? Again, it's ping based. Try pulling your connection mid-cast of a spell.

I provided reference for a patch note that indicates something isnt quite right with a mechanic. In fact I provided 2 patch notes indicating the same function of all activateable instant clicks had the same universal spell cast time to slow down the "spam".

Noone has refuted it with actual evidence, in fact when someone thought they had a gotcha of actual logs, it turned out to be untrue and supported my theory.

And in today's P99 client when i have a ping of 60ish, i struggle to hit 5 cast per second which generally includes a "you can't use" command between each attempt...

[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You feel uncomfortable.

His logs arent consistent with today's P99 client so I doubt they are accurate for 2001...

I understand the staff functionality is pretty heavily engrained in P99 culture, but its just not accurate.

With the short cast time indicated on the patch notes, you would still be able to use on the move, you would still be able to quickly check range (even though you can do this with literally every spell since range checks happen first), and you would still get 2 to 3 clicks per second in. However you wouldnt be able to click 4 to 5 times per second.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I provided reference for a patch note that indicates something isnt quite right with a mechanic. In fact I provided 2 patch notes indicating the same function of all activateable instant clicks had the same universal spell cast time to slow down the "spam".

Noone has refuted it with actual evidence, in fact when someone thought they had a gotcha of actual logs, it turned out to be untrue and supported my theory.

And in today's P99 client when i have a ping of 60ish, i struggle to hit 5 cast per second which generally includes a "you can't use" command between each attempt...

[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:29 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You can't use that command right now...
[Tue Apr 28 10:46:30 2026] You feel uncomfortable.

His logs arent consistent with today's P99 client so I doubt they are accurate for 2001...

I understand the staff functionality is pretty heavily engrained in P99 culture, but its just not accurate.

With the short cast time indicated on the patch notes, you would still be able to use on the move, you would still be able to quickly check range (even though you can do this with literally every spell since range checks happen first), and you would still get 2 to 3 clicks per second in. However you wouldnt be able to click 4 to 5 times per second.

Are you right clicking or pressing a button? Different systems handle that in the client.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His logs arent consistent with today's P99 client so I doubt they are accurate for 2001...

The log snippet is consistent with today's p99, though. You've just generated different output by pressing the button faster.

e.g. this is also p99:

[Fri May 08 14:56:45 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Fri May 08 14:56:45 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Fri May 08 14:56:45 2026] Your target resisted the LowerElement spell.
[Fri May 08 14:56:45 2026] You resist the LowerElement spell!
[Fri May 08 14:56:45 2026] Your target resisted the LowerElement spell.
[Fri May 08 14:56:45 2026] You resist the LowerElement spell!
[Fri May 08 14:56:45 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Fri May 08 14:56:46 2026] You feel uncomfortable.
[Fri May 08 14:56:46 2026] Your target resisted the LowerElement spell.
[Fri May 08 14:56:46 2026] You resist the LowerElement spell!
[Fri May 08 14:56:46 2026] Your target resisted the LowerElement spell.
[Fri May 08 14:56:46 2026] You resist the LowerElement spell!
[Fri May 08 14:56:46 2026] You can't use that command right now...

Edit: But, you're not contesting that the fluxes per second in your snippet and the Nov 2001 snippet are different, so what are we even doing at this point?

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The log snippet is consistent with today's p99, though. You've just generated different output by pressing the button faster.

e.g. this is also p99:



Edit: But, you're not contesting that the fluxes per second in your snippet and the Nov 2001 snippet are different, so what are we even doing at this point?

Thats my point, i am pressing the button or clicking (Both mechanisms produce the same output on my end) and the max i can get through is 5, but more commonly 4.

What I suspect the system does is only allowed 1 action per server confirmation. IE i send a command to "do action" the server has to accept that action and then send it back to me that I did it, before allowing another action.

This means that people with lower pings will be able to complete more actions per second on p99. such as fluxing.

On live, per the patch notes, there was a short cast time, similar to Tri Plated Hammer, you could hit the button as fast as you could, but with the cast time, it clamped it down to 2 or 3 actions per second max.

The entire thread has been vastly productive for drilling down what happened. I would of never thought to test dain hammer as a baseline for the "short cast time" but given its behavior, it seems like basically ALL activateable "instant" effects should behave the same way. Essentially have a short cast time that stops the spam. And the patch notes reflect this.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats my point, i am pressing the button or clicking (Both mechanisms produce the same output on my end) and the max i can get through is 5, but more commonly 4.

What I suspect the system does is only allowed 1 action per server confirmation. IE i send a command to "do action" the server has to accept that action and then send it back to me that I did it, before allowing another action.

This means that people with lower pings will be able to complete more actions per second on p99. such as fluxing.

On live, per the patch notes, there was a short cast time, similar to Tri Plated Hammer, you could hit the button as fast as you could, but with the cast time, it clamped it down to 2 or 3 actions per second max.

The entire thread has been vastly productive for drilling down what happened. I would of never thought to test dain hammer as a baseline for the "short cast time" but given its behavior, it seems like basically ALL activateable "instant" effects should behave the same way. Essentially have a short cast time that stops the spam. And the patch notes reflect this.

In-era description claiming you can't use Hackle Hammer while moving, which is at odds with the already cited descriptions of using flux staff while running -

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20010524115337/http://eq.castersrealm.com/pon/data/items.asp?Action=Description&Id=3495

Effect Details: Cast time of 0 seconds (but it can't be cast while moving). The buff adds: +26 ac +150 hp +20 MR

Probably worth noting that the client-side check can reasonably be assumed classic, but movement interrupts are server-side and emulated.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, you still have credible in-era logs showing 4-5 casts of the flux staff in a second that you haven't been able to address. There's nothing sans patch note to indicate the behavior isn't classic. Patch notes were frequently misleading and never comprehensive.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats my point, i am pressing the button or clicking (Both mechanisms produce the same output on my end) and the max i can get through is 5, but more commonly 4.

This puts the flux rate on p99 at a rate consistent with the limited live logs, so perhaps I am still missing the point.

On live, per the patch notes, there was a short cast time, similar to Tri Plated Hammer, you could hit the button as fast as you could, but with the cast time, it clamped it down to 2 or 3 actions per second max.

The entire thread has been vastly productive for drilling down what happened. I would of never thought to test dain hammer as a baseline for the "short cast time" but given its behavior, it seems like basically ALL activateable "instant" effects should behave the same way. Essentially have a short cast time that stops the spam. And the patch notes reflect this.

Hopefully the devs have an in-era log of a dain hammer click to confirm, but no exceptions have been raised to the rule that non-instant clicks (like the dain hammer) have a "Your <item> begins to glow." message but instant clicks do not.

The lack of this message in the log history for the flux staff is yet another piece of evidence that the flux staff remained instant and did not work like the dain hammer.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This puts the flux rate on p99 at a rate consistent with the limited live logs, so perhaps I am still missing the point.



Hopefully the devs have an in-era log of a dain hammer click to confirm, but no exceptions have been raised to the rule that non-instant clicks (like the dain hammer) have a "Your <item> begins to glow." message but instant clicks do not.

The lack of this message in the log history for the flux staff is yet another piece of evidence that the flux staff remained instant and did not work like the dain hammer.

Again, i have not seen log files from the perspective of the wizard. And also, none of the logs I have reviewed (from other party perspectives) are consistent with P99 click rates. the 1 instance in 1 log that shows 5 clicks per second, just so happens to be missing a full second of log entries AFTER the log messages and that is with a shaman casting malaisment. So from my standpoint, the logs provided thus far show a pretty consistent 2 or 3 clicks max input.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Awsten_Tx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, i have not seen log files from the perspective of the wizard. And also, none of the logs I have reviewed (from other party perspectives) are consistent with P99 click rates. the 1 instance in 1 log that shows 5 clicks per second, just so happens to be missing a full second of log entries AFTER the log messages and that is with a shaman casting malaisment. So from my standpoint, the logs provided thus far show a pretty consistent 2 or 3 clicks max input.

We've been over this. The logs from the wizard's perspective with no shaman mentioned show ~5/second: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...34&postcount=3