Game Mechanics: Should NOT be able to invis your pet.

[TWDL_Prexus]

Per July 19 2000 Patch Notes:

- You can no longer cast invisibility on any pet.

Just tested, can still invis pets.

[nilbog]

Fixed, pending update

[Jimjam]

The 'any' feels like it is doing some lifting here.

I wonder, previous to this patch, which pets you could and couldn't do invis on. I have a feeling maybe it only landed on air pets (due to their innate selfcast) but then this got reprogrammed to only affect them selves, but this will need much further research!

[nilbog]

Air pets/npcs will still be able to invis themselves. This change blocks player attempts to invis pets (after Jul2000).

[Lostfaction]

RIP larrikan + probe/bead pulls.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 'any' feels like it is doing some lifting here.

I feel like this patch refers to removing the ability to invis pets that you aren't grouped with.

I don't ever remember not being able to invis my own pet.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like this patch refers to removing the ability to invis pets that you aren't grouped with.

I don't ever remember not being able to invis my own pet.

The change as described by Nilbog seems accurate as far as I could find.

Here's a reference to doing it pre-patch -

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20000618122614/http://eq.castersrealm.com/forums/Forum6/HTML/000121.html

Topic: Top Ten Reasons You Summoned an Air Pet
Biznik
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Posts: 46
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posted 12-05-1999 12:48 PM
10. Your group insisted you not summon a pet("pet? what pet, I don't see a pet!")
9. You're too lazy to cast invis on your pet when you dungeon dive.

I couldn't find any classic discussion of doing it post-patch (which would make some sense assuming you couldn't)

Here's a much later reference to not being able to do it -

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20050126201744/http://forum.magecompendium.com/viewtopic.php?t=18729&amp

IwanTheEverQuestNut
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:16 pm Post subject: Pet invisi

You can't cast invisibility spells on your pet, tried once on an earth pet and it gave me the emssage that I cannot invisi that kind of pet (did not try with water/fire) so air pet invisi does have its uses.

[Zuranthium]

Late 2004 is very far past the classic timeline, and why is an experienced player giving the suggestion of invising your pet at that time, if it had been out of the game for more than 4 years?

That thread even talks about pets being changed to beta neutral faction (won't get aggroed), with the ability to toggle that faction on/off, therefore making it unnecessary to invis the pet in PvE.

The ability to invis your pet was more likely removed after classic, maybe during the introduction of pet windows, or maybe because they were specifically trying to push the Pet Hold or Pet Suspend AA.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Late 2004 is very far past the classic timeline, and why is an experienced player giving the suggestion of invising your pet at that time, if it had been out of the game for more than 4 years?

That thread even talks about pets being changed to beta neutral faction (won't get aggroed), with the ability to toggle that faction on/off, therefore making it unnecessary to invis the pet in PvE.

They weren't actually suggesting it, they were just scoffing at someone else saying air pet invis was useful for PVP. Given that the mechanic had no use (owing to the faction changes), it seems like a reasonable mistake to make.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ability to invis your pet was more likely removed after classic, maybe during the introduction of pet windows, or maybe because they were specifically trying to push the Pet Hold or Pet Suspend AA.

Based on what? It seems infinitely more reasonably to assume it was changed by the patch with the relevant patch note.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They weren't actually suggesting it

They were. "The owner could just invis it themselves", which was indeed the common thing to do as a pet class when you were moving through a dungeon or any area where you wanted to avoid extra aggro.

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Based on what?

It's common business practice to incentivize an expansion, and there were tons of bugs happening. There easily could have been some kind of bug that sprang up after classic with players casting invis on their pet, and since there were other ways to achieve a similar effect at that point, they simply removed casting invis on pets.

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems infinitely more reasonable to assume it was changed by the patch with the relevant patch note.

Not that reasonable if none of us who played throughout the entirety of classic can remember such a change during that time.

The patch note doesn't state that you can't invis your pet anymore. It says you can't invis *any* pet, very possibly meaning they removed casting invis on pets outside of your group (a change that could have been made because there were no pet windows at the time, and thus inexperienced players were getting confused by people randomly invising their pet and thinking their pet had died).