Pet weapon questions

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instant charm break is nice to have and it helps a little but absolutely not necessary especially if it comes with a hefty price tag. Wouldn't have traded my GGR while leveling but at 60 I tossed it for the RoST, which I pretty much never leave home without.

I don't play necro but if I recall correctly the main draw of pre-nerf CoS is basically standing up invis from FD. Most people I saw talking about it said it is nice to have but isn't really worth the price tag either.

I am also going to switch to Ring of Stealthy Travel for charm breaks on my Ench when she can use it. GGR is nice while leveling since it has a lower level requirement. Post nerf CoS is clickable at 20 I think, so it's still great for leveling if you don't want to spend 5k on GGR. And the invis is more useful since it's regular invis.

Yeah Pre-Nerf CoF is great for other things besides charm break. I have one on my SK. That is why I still recommended getting one in my previous post. Instant Invis after FD is nice for sure. Being able to re-invis while running if it drops is fun too. It isn't a requirement though. You can always carry around a few Ring of Shadows for instant invis after FD if you want to be cheap.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't play necro but if I recall correctly the main draw of pre-nerf CoS is basically standing up invis from FD. Most people I saw talking about it said it is nice to have but isn't really worth the price tag either.

The main draw is instant charm break, really. Mobs 35+ won't mem blur instantly when you FD, and most higher level dungeons have mobs that see invis anyway.

But when you have 2-3 mobs rooted, and your pet is tanking one - then one breaks root and you get interrupted and have to manage re-rooting to get things under control.. and then you notice your pet is 1 hit away from dying so you can just click your CoS to save your torch / exp / Tola robe.

At least that's what I've found most useful in my hundreds of hours playing Necro on p99 Green.

[Wayward]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am also going to switch to Ring of Stealthy Travel for charm breaks on my Ench when she can use it.

Yeah the biggest benefit to the Ring over a GGR is that you don't have to target yourself to cast it -- works well when you have to Nuke your old pet, or Mez, or Root and you don't have to switch targets before casting the offensive spell.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Wayward [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the biggest benefit to the Ring over a GGR is that you don't have to target yourself to cast it -- works well when you have to Nuke your old pet, or Mez, or Root and you don't have to switch targets before casting the offensive spell.

I agree. I don't like having to self target with GGR. When you take the time to retarget into account, Ring of Stealthy Travel isn't much slower than GGR anyway. Plus you can use Ring for normal invis, so you don't need to mem it anymore.

[Goregasmic]

I'm so drilled to grr that a year later I still self target for invis even if I don't have to.

Not having to self target is better but shows you how much of a non-issue it was, at least for me.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been saying that! I can put the necro on ice for a while if you want to catch up, I've got other toons I can play in the meantime.

Been busy traveling for work. I'm home for about a week and a half then gone for another two weeks.

I'll see if I can get some catch up levels this week.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree. I don't like having to self target with GGR. When you take the time to retarget into account, Ring of Stealthy Travel isn't much slower than GGR anyway. Plus you can use Ring for normal invis, so you don't need to mem it anymore.

Retargeting takes a single keystroke. Instant invis means you can break your pet and be casting on it in less than a half a second. If you have 4+ mobs hitting your pet in a zone like HS this can be the difference between either losing your pet or having to use multiple nukes to kill your pet and waste mana. Since you’re enc is low level I assume you haven’t done this before, and low level roots aren’t reliable enough to want to have that many mobs at once. The ROST is still a great item to have, but if you’re trying to maximize xp per hour there’s no reason to not have insta invis. The GGR ring is easily farmable or not that expensive to buy. Obviously pre nerf cos is the best for necros but that’s not so easy to acquire nowadays.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Retargeting takes a single keystroke. Instant invis means you can break your pet and be casting on it in less than a half a second. If you have 4+ mobs hitting your pet in a zone like HS this can be the difference between either losing your pet or having to use multiple nukes to kill your pet and waste mana. Since you’re enc is low level I assume you haven’t done this before, and low level roots aren’t reliable enough to want to have that many mobs at once. The ROST is still a great item to have, but if you’re trying to maximize xp per hour there’s no reason to not have insta invis. The GGR ring is easily farmable or not that expensive to buy. Obviously pre nerf cos is the best for necros but that’s not so easy to acquire nowadays.

I've played the game for years. I have done tons of difficult fights as a level 60, including fighting in HS. I understand how these fights work. Anticipating how quickly a mob will die is easy, especially within a 2 second window. This includes multiple attackers on a single target.

https://youtu.be/qYCpsgMYx7A?si=83q7flFeo3cerg9E - I can show a scenario where I didn't need instant invis to get full XP via charming, and I used a lower level nuke to save mana. You have yet to provide any evidence for your position, where you got more kills per hour with GGR compared to RoST.

My video shows an obvious flaw with your argument: How can you actually know if the instant invis on GGR was a factor in getting more kills per hour, if you can do the same thing without GGR?

You can hide behind the Argument from Authority fallacy if you wish, by claiming you must have a level 60 Enchanter to understand. In reality you don't need a level 60 of every class to know how the game works.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've played the game for years. I have done tons of difficult fights as a level 60, including fighting in HS. I understand how these fights work. Anticipating how quickly a mob will die is easy, especially within a 2 second window. This includes multiple attackers on a single target.

https://youtu.be/qYCpsgMYx7A?si=83q7flFeo3cerg9E - I can show a scenario where I didn't need instant invis to get full XP via charming, and I used a lower level nuke to save mana. You have yet to provide any evidence for your position, where you got more kills per hour with GGR compared to RoST.

My video shows an obvious flaw with your argument: How can you actually know if the instant invis on GGR was a factor in getting more kills per hour, if you can do the same thing without GGR?

You can hide behind the Argument from Authority fallacy if you wish, by claiming you must have a level 60 Enchanter to understand. In reality you don't need a level 60 of every class to know how the game works.

It’s sad that you used a 1 on 1 video when I was specifically talking about 4+ higher level mobs at once. Clearly we are at different skill levels so continue with your low level antics. The RoST works great killing mobs at a snails pace, I never denied it was a good item to have. When you feel like playing with the big players let us know.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s sad that you used a 1 on 1 video when I was specifically talking about 4+ higher level mobs at once. Clearly we are at different skill levels so continue with your low level antics. The RoST works great killing mobs at a snails pace, I never denied it was a good item to have. When you feel like playing with the big players let us know.

More argument from authority fallacy. No evidence or videos.

I assume you understand the basic concept that high level mobs do the same behaviors, regardless of your character's class. I have fought 4+ high level mobs many times. I have seen level 60 Enchanters do the same. A level 60 knows how much DPS they are going to take on their character or pet from 4+ mobs.

If you are as skilled as you claimed, you wouldn't need GGR as a placebo crutch. 2 second anticipation in a high level fight is easy, even with 4+ mobs.