NPC Spawn Issue: Many (perhaps all?) Iksar mobs should be immune to charm

[Jimjam]

Nah, un nerfing guards and merchants isn't a small thing (which is something covered by the wide charm immunity of iksar). Both these types of mob have a wide environmental role for all players.

This isn't about game balance though - this is more like experimental archaeology. Trying to recreate how things were done in the past. You don't go to an iron age village and tell them to use steel and concrete instead of wattle and daub.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to recreate how things were done in the past. You don't go to an iron age village and tell them to use steel and concrete instead of wattle and daub.

A bit of a tangent, but I'd never even heard of experimental archaeology (a great term for this) until I saw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrets_of_the_Castle. If you ever want to see modern day archeologists (literally) building a castle to figure out how people did so back in the day, I highly recommend it (and it's free on Prime).

[kgallowaypa]

Why would Iksar not being able to be charmed even considered a feature? Is it Lore based or some time of balance they were hard coding?

[bivouac]

I ran around on Live's Test server this week trying to charm some Iksars on a 60 ENC.
Ssolet Dnaas, Shezlie Furscale, Zazlan Furscale, Sarth Scarscale, Sirtha Scarscale were all easily charmed with Allure.
Himart Kichith outright resisted every Allure and mez attempt. Dictate lasted for its full duration.

[Passenger]

Similar to guard charm immunity, iksar charm immunity seems based on Race ID.

An excerpt from Torven's study of client decompiles:
- https://www.eqemulator.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=44358

The March 2000 client also had charm immunity for city guard NPCs. The spell logic checked for specific race IDs in a switch case. These IDs are: 44, 67, 71, 77, 78, 81, 88, 90, 92, 93, 94, 106, 112, 139. If charm was cast on any NPC of any of these races, the spell automatically resisted. To be clear: charm immunity was added to guards at some point during the classic era, and this March 2000 client is only one of two clients in that era that we were able to obtain and decompile, the other one being before the game even launched, so it was likely added much earlier than March 2000. (perhaps December 99 since a patch note mentions guards gaining 'stats')

Race IDs as documented by EQEmu:
- https://docs.eqemu.dev/server/npc/race-list/

ID	Name
44 	Guard
67 	Human
71 	Human
77 	Dark Elf
78 	Erudite
81 	Halfling
88 	Clockwork Gnome
90 	Barbarian
92 	Troll
93 	Ogre
94 	Dwarf
106 	Guard
112 	Guard
128 	Iksar  [Not immune to charm]
139 	Iksar

Click "Raw NPC Data" to expand for Race ID in Allaclone links.

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bandits, brigands, footpads, and marauders in FoB all immune to charm.

Picaroons in EJ immune to charm.

Treasure hunters in TT immune to charm.

However, 'iksar necromancer' in Sebilis CAN be charmed.

So it wasn't all iksar. It will be a lot of work getting a definitive list. But at a glance it would appear all the outdoor zones Kunark iksar like footpads, marauders etc should be immune to charm at least.

Name			RaceID	Zone			Charmable?	TAKP Allaclone URL
an iksar bandit (ROG)	139	Field of Bone		N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=78046
an Iksar bandit (WAR)	139	Field of Bone		N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=78356
an Iksar brigand	139	Field of Bone		N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=78118
an Iksar footpad	139	Field of Bone		N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=78108
an Iksar marauder	139	Field of Bone		N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=78099
an Iksar picaroon	139	Emerald Jungle		N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=94087
Iksar treasure hunter	139	Trakanon's Teeth	N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=95041
iksar necromancer	128	Ruins of Sebilis	Y		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=89156

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Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couldn't charm iksar marauders in LOIO on live today.

Maybe it is just iksar of the rogue clan, guards and merchants which were uncharmable?

Name			RaceID	Zone			Charmable?	TAKP Allaclone URL
an Iksar marauder	139	Lake of Ill Omen	N		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=85173

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Originally Posted by bivouac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I ran around on Live's Test server this week trying to charm some Iksars on a 60 ENC.
Ssolet Dnaas, Shezlie Furscale, Zazlan Furscale, Sarth Scarscale, Sirtha Scarscale were all easily charmed with Allure.
Himart Kichith outright resisted every Allure and mez attempt. Dictate lasted for its full duration.

Name			RaceID	Zone			Charmable?	TAKP Allaclone URL
Ssolet Dnaas		128	Warsliks Woods		Y		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=79098
Shezlie Furscale	128	Cabilis East		Y		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=106012
Zazlan Furscale		128	Cabilis East		Y		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=106013
Sarth Scarscale		128	Cabilis East		Y		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=106011
Sirtha Scarscale	128	Cabilis East		Y		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=106010
Himart Kichith		128	Cabilis East		Y		https://www.takproject.net/allaclone/npc.php?id=106017

Himart Kichith may have been resistant but ultimately wasn't immune, and the Race ID reflects that.