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[Viscere]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The hate ench piece is a major bottleneck right now because no one wants to do hate. Probably even more than VD for most people, who is still a major botteneck due to LR sellers (lol).

I tried paying castle/well dwellers what they asked for to get the LR but communication was poor and it ended up not working out. I guess no one cares to sell 10-15k LRs on a 7min rot item when you're literally making millions from earth staves and SEOCs. Ended up hanging out at fountain and lucking out by getting one from GG who drafted hate last time.

I guess my point is I feel hate is in a fucked up state not only because of farmers but also because the outdated loot tables make it so that most people couldn't care less to go there. Too much trouble for generally little reward. Even if the farmers vanished I'm not sure how much traffic you'd see. The farmers have the most efficient way to go at it already.

It's mostly fucked because you have to face a band of inbred incels to get your piece of nostalgia, so even hardcore guilds don't even bother.

It took years of damning documentation for castle to get Doak perma banned from the auto tracking farmers.

This late into velious and with EQL / MNM, no one wants to bother or play steven spielberg to document PNP abuses through 3rd party automation...

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Viscere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's mostly fucked because you have to face a band of inbred incels to get your piece of nostalgia, so even hardcore guilds don't even bother.

It took years of damning documentation for castle to get Doak perma banned from the auto tracking farmers.

This late into velious and with EQL / MNM, no one wants to bother or play steven spielberg to document PNP abuses through 3rd party automation...

Kinda sorta, not that I want to defend them but like, even if you recruit all hate farmer crews to get you an essence, still takes 3 weeks. You could go up with your guild every 8 hours and clean 1st floor but who wants to do that, seriously? Everyone would end up with small squads parked at fountain, it is the easiest way.

Not like VD, SF and everything that is worth something isn't already poopsocked anyway. Sucks but it isn't going away.

[Hannibal]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree. I think people simply don't have the will to beat the farm crews, because most players don't care about Earth Staff. Even if farm crews disappeared tomorrow, it takes a long time for an Earth Staff to drop. You could get better raid items for other classes in the same time spent. Unfortunately Mage Epic is mostly just a toy/status symbol on P99.

Going back to the rules. Even when Mini's had the zone vacate rule, there was an exception for guilds:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=14



So it seems like OP just has a large misunderstanding about the Hate rules in general. Guilds could easily do trash clears around Magi spawn if they wanted to, even before the Hate Mini rules were removed.

Aww man, wife I were bound at stairs like a year ago for a month(ish) getting her enc epic piece on BLUE. They had the vacate rules in place, which was awful as we constantly saw minis popping up that we couldn't even touch. Might need to make a trip back up just to see if we can get any of them down. Be a fun duo to try for sure!

[Hannibal]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda sorta, not that I want to defend them but like, even if you recruit all hate farmer crews to get you an essence, still takes 3 weeks. You could go up with your guild every 8 hours and clean 1st floor but who wants to do that, seriously? Everyone would end up with small squads parked at fountain, it is the easiest way.

Not like VD, SF and everything that is worth something isn't already poopsocked anyway. Sucks but it isn't going away.

Yeah we had to bind a cleric, druid, and chanter at the stairs for her epic piece. The cleric was just there for the inevitable rezzes. But there is a couple of the mage folks nearby maestro first floor area. We were using Harmony and pulling mobs out from there until we got lucky. We even managed to get a lucky drop on the enc chest piece while doing the grind. Super fun, but difficult to setup for suresies!

[bbsmitz]

Originally Posted by Hannibal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah we had to bind a cleric, druid, and chanter at the stairs for her epic piece. The cleric was just there for the inevitable rezzes. But there is a couple of the mage folks nearby maestro first floor area. We were using Harmony and pulling mobs out from there until we got lucky. We even managed to get a lucky drop on the enc chest piece while doing the grind. Super fun, but difficult to setup for suresies!

Hate Robe for my enchanter was one of my favorite items. Even after I replaced it I still kept it in my bank. That and the Halo are such solid pieces.