Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not defending cheating, Im saying they have been punished now it's time to move on, you want to crucify people in TR because you are bitter. I dont see you speaking out against the other 364 people that got suspended, just Perun, because you're bitter.

You say you don't care about emotions but your entire crusade is based on them.

Still training people bro?

[Ring]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that some were not flagged Shiftin to say they all were not hit is possible but who knows? Were some simply not caught? Again just speculation but possible. Did they claim to only use it on ez server for those accounts? Heck more and more pure speculation from this point of view. What I was saying was these are ways you could use these programs to gain a clear advantage. You will forgive me if I do not give the benefit of the doubt because it wasn't long ago your people were screaming that it was pure skill and being better then everyone else in fair competition which is why they were getting so many mobs. While there certainly is something to that saying none of your bards were flagged might be true what about the monks? Knowledge is power and if people who are leading and directing have that knowledge I don't care that people in the raid aren't 'using'. That information gives distinct advantages.

I honestly believe because it has proven true throughout time that the surface was scratched. So when people say ' we only cheated this much or benefited it from it this much' I know there is more under the surface and it was much bigger then any of us are aware. But us claiming cheats were just wearing tin foil hats right? And here is another question.

If everyone is cheating by using these programs but only some are using it to get rich which is the greater wrong? If some guy is using showeq playing 3 hours a week and only using macros to tradeskill he isn't really affecting anyone even though he is cheating. It changes when you have a raid guild who is 'dominating' and then this hits. It wasn't like TRmember_00 was found in gukbottom to be cheating so TR gets raid suspended. No, knowing what the history is and the punishment was your raid leader was one found to be using it and granted not the only one. And you expect to be dealt with more favorably?

I am not saying you guys have 'no life' and all that kid insult crap. I am saying that your continued 'dominance' on this server in regards to raid mobs more and more seems a hollow achievement. Every time you have been 'threatened' you try any and everything to out the other guy down. And you honestly expect anyone to give the benefit of the doubt now? Every thing people say you give the 'tin foil' hat nonsense. Of course there are skilled and dedicated members in TR. Of course people bust their ass. Of course not everyone flagged was some scumbag hacking everything to make sure TR got raid mobs. But you can't stand there and defend anything now, the benefit of the doubt was lost if it ever existed. Your talk of an even playing field and fair competition is laughable. Most every guild had people flagged just to show how widespread the problem is and how apparently ineffectual the deterrent is. Is it just another coincidence the only 'raid leader' type to get hit was the 'top raid guild'?

As raid leaders go in this game they carry much influence and directly impact how well their guild raids and as a result are the driving force behind how successful the guild ends up being as far as raids. The same can be said for the top guilds on servers. As they go the server goes. And the direction this server has taken can be directly linked to TR or IB or whatever else. Maybe it was Fish Bait or Transcendence at first I wasn't here and neither were you. But the fact of the matter is for a long time IB and TR have been in a leading position to help move this server in a positive direction and it has gone the opposite. And it is apparent that any means necessary legal or otherwise have been employed for how long?

Are we to believe that these programs were never used to gain an edge? That everyone on the server is just jealous and none of them have any clue about what they are talking? That TR is the only guild with veterans from live or people who know this game or of what they speak when it comes to mechanics and plausibility? We are all just ignorant right? Of course there are people who are jealous and mistaken. But to say that everyone wears tin foil hats now, perhaps you are wearing them.

How did you get away with using MQ2 / SEQ on your account? That's probably how the TR tracker accounts did it too.

[Banditfist]

Shaere is the only person on my ignore list. There is no reasoning with him in game. And now here....you make assumptions to meet your arguments. Sounds a lot like that sociopath better known as Uthgaard.

Your arguments are invalid unless you are calling for all guilds to not be able to raid. You are singling out that Perun was an officer and making the assumption that showEQ gave TR and advantage. An advantage to a class that did not pull raid targets.

Your only possible argument can be that in the past they were permanent bans. Rogean and the staff decided to be equal to all 365 accounts the exact same THIS ONE TIME. You are trying to extend that to a specific guild.

[Azzbad]

Originally Posted by Banditfist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaere is the only person on my ignore list. There is no reasoning with him in game. And now here....you make assumptions to meet your arguments. Sounds a lot like that sociopath better known as Uthgaard.

Your arguments are invalid unless you are calling for all guilds to not be able to raid. You are singling out that Perun was an officer and making the assumption that showEQ gave TR and advantage. An advantage to a class that did not pull raid targets.

Your only possible argument can be that in the past they were permanent bans. Rogean and the staff decided to be equal to all 365 accounts the exact same THIS ONE TIME. You are trying to extend that to a specific guild.

Monks don't pull raid targets?

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Azzbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks don't pull raid targets?

monks split, bards pull.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Feachie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

monks split, bards pull.

If you know how to play a Bard you can split and pull just as good..

[Feachie]

monks are expendable imo

[G13]

Originally Posted by Morlaeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zereh, it was people in every guild...You want EVERY guild to be suspended for a week? =P

It wasn't officers/raid leaders/leadership in every guild

Officers/raid leaders and people in position of power within each raiding guild should be held to a higher standard. They can't police every member, but they sure as hell better be able to police themselves.

Xzerion not knowing Perun was hacking is an incredible failure in leadership. Either he knew about it, allowed it to happen, or he wasn't putting the right people in charge of his guild. Either way he is ultimately responsible for allowing it to happen. If he's a developer than Rogean and Nilbog should have doubled the punishment. Xzerion should know better. Especially as a developer. He should have been extra careful when selecting his officers and raid leaders.

This has nothing to do with whether he's guilty of what Uthgaard has accused him of. This has everything to do with officers in his guild being caught using 3rd party hacks. This should have been grounds for his immediate dismissal from development duties, instead we get a post from Xzerion trying to make us all feel guilty for his decision to quit development duties? Nice try Xzerion but I see right through your bullshit.

What baffles me the most is to see the way your members blindly defend your "pals". Your friendships don't matter to the rest of the server. The only thing that matters to everyone that is not in IB/TR are the actual rules that have been put into place and the precedent that has been set previously in regards to their enforcement.

Your leadership failed you just as it failed the entire community. You've now been reduced to defending cheaters on the boards, and accepting the members back who re-app, who just happen to be pals with the right people within your guild. The TR/IB not in the officer clique are expendable.

This is exactly the reason Nilbog and Rogean raid suspended DA the first time. I agree with them, that's why the same standard should be applied to TR/IB leadership now that Perun has been caught.

The other 364 accounts are completely irrelevant to this distinction so please stop using your strawman

[JayDee]

are you writing your thesis on eq bro

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Azzbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks don't pull raid targets?

Bad monks don't pull.