Miscellaneous: Compiled list of bug/issues/disputes

[jilena]

Updated with lots of testing. If anyone can confirm any of this, or provide feedback on the things I was unable to test, that would be awesome.

[Vile]

jilena for mod! f smedy

[Kelsar]

Jilena - thank you so much for doing this.

Originally Posted by tmoneynegro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already supplied formulas/graphs that are accurate within a 5% margin of error for crowd control/magic resist:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...61&postcount=5

Just need to implement a formula for damage spells and this thing could be done quick.

Your resist calculations are garbage. I applaud the effort but 105MR doesn't make you 90% resistant to anything.

If you recall doing any Pre-Kunark dragon raids, everyone wore as much MR and FR/CR items as they could then buffed up to get as close as they could to 200 and STILL took massive damage and didn't resist a 50% of dragons roar/fear stuff.

[Galacticus]

Nicely done. Thanks for this work!

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Kelsar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jilena - thank you so much for doing this.




Your resist calculations are garbage. I applaud the effort but 105MR doesn't make you 90% resistant to anything.

If you recall doing any Pre-Kunark dragon raids, everyone wore as much MR and FR/CR items as they could then buffed up to get as close as they could to 200 and STILL took massive damage and didn't resist a 50% of dragons roar/fear stuff.

Really struggling to keep from calling you an idiot.

You're comparing PVE to PVP. I don't care what resists did against your dragons vs what they do vs roots/snares/mezzes/nukes from PC's.

TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS

If you had PvP'd on live you would know this. Verant understood what it would mean if you let 3 minute snares/roots land; 2 minute mezes land easily.
They purposely made these things virtually immune with very little magic resist.

This did not, however, transfer over to the other resists. IE: 150 cold resist did not mean you were going to fully resist ice comet 98% of the time.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Kelsar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you recall doing any Pre-Kunark dragon raids, everyone wore as much MR and FR/CR items as they could then buffed up to get as close as they could to 200 and STILL took massive damage and didn't resist a 50% of dragons roar/fear stuff.

prekunark PC lvls where capped to 50 (and untested 50+), classic dragons are lvl 54(?)... so what are you tryin to say here?

[Kelsar]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're comparing PVE to PVP. I don't care what resists did against your dragons vs what they do vs roots/snares/mezzes/nukes from PC's.

This did not, however, transfer over to the other resists. IE: 150 cold resist did not mean you were going to fully resist ice comet 98% of the time.

I'll admit, I didn't play much on the PvP server and when I did play it was later on it was a neutral bard. I had no problems with resists except from mobs. I used that PvE example and dragons roar as a mass fear that wasn't able to be resisted with even 175MR.

You're right, they are two different things but I fundamentally disagree with someone being 90% resistant to a mez with 105 MR. That means any caster worth a snot, a mystic cloak, HBB, some bracers and a buff cannot be mezd. That doesn't seem right.... seems like you're shafting one class there in PvP. Tashan, at most, reduces around 33MR. That's my 2 cents and it may not be classic but 105MR shouldn't make enchanters almost useless in pvp.

[Bockscar]

This did not, however, transfer over to the other resists. IE: 150 cold resist did not mean you were going to fully resist ice comet 98% of the time.

To be fair, 150 CR did generally mean that you didn't have to worry much about ice comet. You wouldn't fully resist it 98% of the time, but most of the time it would do so little damage you could usually shrug it off and a wizard was unlikely to be able to kill you with a full mana bar. Then again, 150 unbuffed CR took pretty much every piece of resist gear in the game. It would be exactly the same as a cleric trying to nuke you through 150 MR - the nukes will maybe land half the time, but they'll land for like 25% damage. Landing a full-damage nuke against that kind of resist is much like trying to land a snare on a guy with resist gear. It can happen, but don't hold your breath. Fortunately, the typical resist gear available to 95% of the playerbase will only put you at like 100ish CR.

[Bockscar]

I'll admit, I didn't play much on the PvP server and when I did play it was later on it was a neutral bard. I had no problems with resists except from mobs. I used that PvE example and dragons roar as a mass fear that wasn't able to be resisted with even 175MR.

Vox and Naggy are also level 55 while half the people on a typical raid wouldn't even be 50, and it was plenty possible to resist dragon AoEs if you wore resist gear like a good little raider. You just wouldn't likely resist all of them because raid bosses are typically a handful of levels above you.

You're right, they are two different things but I fundamentally disagree with someone being 90% resistant to a mez with 105 MR. That means any caster worth a snot, a mystic cloak, HBB, some bracers and a buff cannot be mezd. That doesn't seem right.... seems like you're shafting one class there in PvP. Tashan, at most, reduces around 33MR. That's my 2 cents and it may not be classic but 105MR shouldn't make enchanters almost useless in pvp.

That's... just kinda how it was. Some class roles completely changed as soon as people got gear. In high-end PvP, an enchanter is there to tash, dispel, CC pets, and occasionally try to mez somebody. If they implement the +50% effect of resist debuffs in PvP here like they did on live in Velious, tashing for -50MR is pretty useful and will allow the enchanter to land spells on all but the most insanely geared opponents.

Also note that people back then didn't know as much as we do now. Lots of people didn't wear a full set of resist gear, so it was generally easier to play a caster at the time. Look at someone like Blart, a fairly famous PvPer - he ran with something like 80MR unbuffed, so an enchanter could very easily have tashed him and landed spells. Resist buffs aren't that hard to get rid of either.

[jilena]

Originally Posted by Kelsar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, they are two different things but I fundamentally disagree with someone being 90% resistant to a mez with 105 MR. That means any caster worth a snot, a mystic cloak, HBB, some bracers and a buff cannot be mezd. That doesn't seem right.... seems like you're shafting one class there in PvP. Tashan, at most, reduces around 33MR. That's my 2 cents and it may not be classic but 105MR shouldn't make enchanters almost useless in pvp.

Unfortunately while I don't know the exact numbers at which resists cause such huge issues, enchanters had such a hard time in PvP that they later changed all resistance debuffs to debuff an extra 50% in PvP to make up for some of the huge impact resists had on their ability to land spells.