Classic pet exp

Tux · #1 10-23-2011, 05:00 AM

I believe it means you now have to out damage your pet to not lose half the experience.

Probably doesn't hurt magicians or necros too much, but will really suck for enchanters who cannot really do significant damage themselves.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=960

MrSparkle001 · #2 10-23-2011, 05:13 AM

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I believe it means you now have to out damage your pet to not lose half the experience.

Probably doesn't hurt magicians or necros too much, but will really suck for enchanters who cannot really do significant damage themselves.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=960

Don't you have it backwards? That link is saying that's the old way. Did this patch introduce the old way or something? I thought we had the old scheme, and that we had to outdamage our pets in order to get full XP.

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Pets and Experience � As there's still some confusion about how experience works with the new pet enhancements, I'd like to talk about it a bit more so that everyone understands. Here are the basic rules, along with some examples - Situation 1 - You are soloing and you have a summoned pet or a charmed pet (not including Dire Charm)- * If you do any damage to the monster at all, you get all of the experience. * If you don't do any damage to the monster, the pet gets 75% of the experience

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How is this different than the old way for non-Dire Charmed pets? In the old scheme, if a pet did more than half of the damage to a monster, it took half the experience reward. In the new scheme, pets take zero experience unless no player does damage. If no player does any damage, then the pet takes 75% of the experience reward This means that it's much easier to make sure a pet doesn't take any experience from you or your group. In most situations where a pet would have taken half the experience before, it now takes no experience at all.

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What's the bottom line? With the new rules, players get more experience than they used to with a pet in almost every situation. The only way you can get less than before is if you or your group don't damage a monster. As long as you do any damage at all, your pet will never take the 75% experience share. Make sure you do a bit of damage, and your summoned or regular charmed pets won't take a single point of experience.

pickled_heretic · #3 10-23-2011, 05:18 AM

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Don't you have it backwards? That link is saying that's the old way. Did this patch introduce the old way or something? I thought we had the old scheme, and that we had to outdamage our pets in order to get full XP.

i think the way it was on this server before live was the new scheme, where pet would take 75% unless you did 1 point of damage, in which case it took 0%.

i'm assuming that this is going to change to the 50% damage = 50% exp taken scheme, which is going to suck balls for my enchanter since i can't do any damage without a pet. D:

MrSparkle001 · #4 10-23-2011, 05:33 AM

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i think the way it was on this server before live was the new scheme, where pet would take 75% unless you did 1 point of damage, in which case it took 0%.

i'm assuming that this is going to change to the 50% damage = 50% exp taken scheme, which is going to suck balls for my enchanter since i can't do any damage without a pet. D:

Why would they go backwards like that? The new scheme is so much better.

Saying "well, new scheme isn't as classic" doesn't work, because someone made the decision to forget about classic and change the boat routes in OOT. New scheme is better in every way. Moving to the old scheme is regressive.

I have an enchanter too, and a necro. My necro will probably be OK, but not my enchanter. I'm not happy with this. What's the point in it?

(my enchanter is too low for me to worry about him doing more than 50% damage, because he does that without even trying at his low level)

pickled_heretic · #5 10-23-2011, 05:34 AM

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Why would they go backwards like that? The new scheme is so much better.

Saying "well, new scheme isn't as classic" doesn't work, because someone made the decision to forget about classic and change the boat routes in OOT. New scheme is better in every way. Moving to the old scheme is regressive.

I have an enchanter too, and a necro. My necro will probably be OK, but not my enchanter. I'm not happy with this. What's the point in it?

because the devs want the only effective solo class to be necro and druid, anything else is Not Classic (tm)

MrSparkle001 · #6 10-23-2011, 05:45 AM

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because the devs want the only effective solo class to be necro and druid, anything else is Not Classic (tm)

Boat routes aren't classic either. Kodiaks walking the south desert wall in West Commons isn't classic. Bixies all over Nektulos isn't classic (I don't think? I don't remember seeing them there). There's a few things that aren't classic, so why make pet exp classic all of a sudden?

Like I said, it probably won't affect me because I've been playing under the assumption that it was already like this, which may make you wonder why I don't like this change. I'm of the opinion that not everything about classic has to be emulated, when improvements were made later. There were a few changes post-classic that were really good, like the pet exp change. Another example is the nerf to DOT damage on moving mobs in classic that was repealed in Velious. There's no need to patch that DOT damage nerf in if it was later repealed. It's regressive. Yeah, you can say "well that was classic" but then I can say "well why did you choose to alter boat routes? That's not classic".

Oh well. My necro will be fine, and my enchanter will have the same trouble I expected he would have anyway. It's just odd decision making, picking and choosing what parts of classic to add and what parts to alter.

Tah · #7 10-23-2011, 05:56 AM

And I was all stoked to start charm soloing on my Enchanter. Bleh. :|

Lindalind · #8 10-31-2011, 08:26 PM

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Boat routes aren't classic either. Kodiaks walking the south desert wall in West Commons isn't classic. Bixies all over Nektulos isn't classic (I don't think? I don't remember seeing them there). There's a few things that aren't classic, so why make pet exp classic all of a sudden?

There always were lots of bixies in Kithicor

JayDee · #9 10-23-2011, 06:15 AM

why would you fucking nerf charm soloing exp of all things. Nerf PBAOE and bard swarm kiting exp

stormlord · #10 10-23-2011, 09:45 AM

I'm not a chanter or a low dps pet toon, but I don't really understand why pets should even take any experience at all. Didn't take all of this into account when they balanced classes? My guess is that they cut experience because they were afraid of exploits or bugs. In a similar way, developers will often cap stats and skills just in case a hacker figures out how to boost them to extremes.

(keep in mind that pets AUTO-defend - this makes developers anxious)

I don't think this would ever be a part of a single player game because in that kind of game hacking only influences YOU, not others. In MMOs, hacking (exploiting oversights or bugs) influences everyone.

For example, in single player games you can turn on cheats. In MMOs, you can't (GMs can).