Creation Point Discussion

[pickled_heretic]

dex as a warrior, stam as a pal/sk

dex helps aggro, aggro is vital for any tank, pal/sk don't really have aggro issues that warrior does so they can afford to pump stam.

i would be surprised to see warriors running around consistently with over 200 dex atm (hardcap and softcap are the same for dex according to a dev post).

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by porigromus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand that canni uses hp to regain mana and I am not trying to be smart. Do you believe that this class in particular is more difficult than others? Is this why you suggest if I ask this question I may should go for a different class?

Because focusing on wisdom/mana will seriously gimp a shaman. At the lower end it doesn't matter much. Wisdom may even be the 'best" stat although the truth is that no stats really matter a whole lot for shaman at the low end. As you approach the high end the only stats that matter significantly are HP and Stamina. Secondary would be Regen, AC, and resists (to prevent losing your primary stat - HP). At 60 with Torpor you can effectively ignore the fact that the Wisdom stat even exists.

On live I had barely over 130ish wis for years until Elemental/Time gear, and that was just because this was when gear became "put all stats on everything." I had nearly 8000 HP, though.

Here's something interesting: in Time / early GoD gear I had +381 wisdom and +260 stamina from gear. This was with ignoring wisdom and putting a preference on HP gear.

[Snaggles]

Stamina isn't the best stat pick for everyone but is one of the harder stats to max, especially raid-buffed.

My halfling rogue put all his points in agil/dex and with some Ntov loot had base 185 str and 150ish stamina. I was gearing for HP gear at that point.

In grind groups you don't always have terrific stat buffs (chanter/cleric and no sham, etc). In a perfect scenario you are losing high-end capacity by not itemizing for your uncapped stats.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stamina isn't the best stat pick for everyone but is one of the harder stats to max, especially raid-buffed.

My halfling rogue put all his points in agil/dex and with some Ntov loot had base 185 str and 150ish stamina. I was gearing for HP gear at that point.

In grind groups you don't always have terrific stat buffs (chanter/cleric and no sham, etc). In a perfect scenario you are losing high-end capacity by not itemizing for your uncapped stats.

i'm not really sure of the point of dex and agi for a rogue though..

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm not really sure of the point of dex and agi for a rogue though..

Oh I completely agree. That was 20 year old logic in 1999. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Main point is, "If I was that stupid you can't go wrong!"

Edited: change to "that wrong".

[Softcore PK]

As a gnome cleric, my main will be putting as many points into wisdom as she can; I'm not going to play a cleric with 77 base wis! I'm torn on whether to put the remaining 5 points into strength or stamina, though..

[Balamar]

So you are saying a shaman should place 25 points into stamina and 5 points into wisdom? That would net me 75 points in the higher levels correct? If I would have placed in 25 into wisdom, that would net me 250 mana?

So wouldn't it make sense to get 250 mana over the life of the character and throw on an earring that gives you 55 hit points or so?

[Mardur]

No such thing as too much hp.

Such a thing as too much mana.

[Balamar]

So from a shaman's standpoint, since I can buff every stat besides INT/WIS, wouldn't it be best to still go with WIS? I think a full set of Rune Etched armor gives 28 WIS. So if I have 85 at creation since I dumped most into STA, I would have 113 WIS.

Also, what if you want to try and do all of the tradeskills on a guy? Should STA still take precedence? Thank you.

[Werlop]

Originally Posted by Balamar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So from a shaman's standpoint, since I can buff every stat besides INT/WIS, wouldn't it be best to still go with WIS? I think a full set of Rune Etched armor gives 28 WIS. So if I have 85 at creation since I dumped most into STA, I would have 113 WIS.

Also, what if you want to try and do all of the tradeskills on a guy? Should STA still take precedence? Thank you.

You don't really need the WIS. The mana is unimportant, which is why STA is better even though you get more mana per WIS than hp per STA.
For tradeskills, just invest in some WIS gear. All it's doing is saving time/cost in learning the tradeskill.