Cleaning Up Our Collective Act

[jilena]

Or the forums will be filled with boring inane posts about what people had for breakfast. No one will be offended. Nothing interesting or funny will ever be said. And life will go on. I don't think overmoderation is any better than no moderation.

If every post is pure drivel (or "dribble" as I have seen used in like 10 posts on here) whether it's offensive or not doesn't matter. I'd rather read funny offcolor/offensive posts than boring "mature" posts.

Sure if it's a response to every post "eat a bag of dicks" gets old quick. But a well placed "fag!" as the only response to a huge well thought out post will still illicit a real out loud laugh. I guess this makes me juvenile or at least means I find humor in the juvenile... Either way I don't think I am alone in finding this sort of thing funny in moderation. I am not saying the forum should ever be allowed to turn into /b/ but there is a reason so many post there... A lot of people find that sort of humor...well...funny?

*shrug*

[Malrubius]

I like the well-placed juvenille commnent too. But I think that the value of these rare zingers is less than the value of a good forum. And by "good", I mean one that is not a cesspool.

On the bright side (if the forum rules were to be enforced) - most of the juvenille comments are neither well-placed nor funny (nor even intended to be funny).

[JaVeDK]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These words by themselves and their use in a general sense may not be held in the best regard, but I think the alternative of censoring everything that might offend someone is much worse. Where do you draw the line? Some people are offended by sexuality, some people bathroom humor, some religion, etc. Shall we dumb all conversation down to the point that there is no flavor or substance and everyone spends more time trying not to offend anyone than they do actually saying anything? I bet even then someone would still be offended.

I have to disagree with you Jilena. Cleaning up ones language and acting civilized is the exact opposite of "dumbing" the conversation down. It's a testament to the sad decline of the English language (of which I am not even a native speaker BTW), that people are unable to communicate with proper words in a respectful manner. It seems that sounding cool and using the right buzz words and gangster slang is more important than the actual content. In many circles a well thought out and concisely formulated argument somehow loses out to an outrageous and, apparently, funny insult. I'm not saying that I never smile at a well crafted insult, but I cannot get behind the notion that it's somehow more interesting or cool to be a funny jerk than an intelligent gentleman.

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or the forums will be filled with boring inane posts about what people had for breakfast. No one will be offended. Nothing interesting or funny will ever be said. And life will go on. I don't think overmoderation is any better than no moderation.

If every post is pure drivel (or "dribble" as I have seen used in like 10 posts on here) whether it's offensive or not doesn't matter. I'd rather read funny offcolor/offensive posts than boring "mature" posts.

Sure if it's a response to every post "eat a bag of dicks" gets old quick. But a well placed "fag!" as the only response to a huge well thought out post will still illicit a real out loud laugh. I guess this makes me juvenile or at least means I find humor in the juvenile... Either way I don't think I am alone in finding this sort of thing funny in moderation. I am not saying the forum should ever be allowed to turn into /b/ but there is a reason so many post there... A lot of people find that sort of humor...well...funny?

*shrug*

I also disagree that you have to use offensive language to make a post interesting or funny. All it shows is that one lacks the capacity to compose something truly original and funny in an intelligent way.

Fart jokes, people falling flat on their face and swear words might be funny on occasion, but to most people they get old fast and if you don't have anything else to bring to the table, no one will take you seriously or respect you.

[isitatomic]

I guess it's not surprising that most chose the personal attack route because it's so damn easy, instead of addressing the POLICY issue. Has it gone completely over your heads that I'm simply in support of a set of rules chosen by the developers of P99? Judging by everyone's reactions, it seems that if most any part of the forum rules appeared in some post, unlabeled, you'd be saying - "lol omg wtf is this butthurt QQ-ing?"

So, it's now blatantly obvious that GMs feel one way about conduct on their server, and the community generally could care less about their utopic, stalinist, pussified bullshit rules that will never be followed. THIS is the disconnect that needs to be addressed, not my supposed never-gonna-make-it-in-life inability to handle naughty words.

Let's:

1. ENFORCE the rules (mentioned ad nauseum already)
2. CHANGE the rules to be more realistic
3. SCRAP the rules altogether

I don't care HOW you feel about ME, I defy you to say that none of the above options are a needed solution.

Epilogue - A civil, well-considered post regarding the state of server conduct with supporting proof being moved to R&F is palpable irony. Also, you giving up with belligerent ignorance at work, at your friend's house, or wherever has absolutely nothing to do with me, it simply means that you apparently waffle easily. A lot of your cutesy netflexing may have intimidated other less vocal folks into sitting down and making promptly with the STFU, that just happens to not be my style. Nothing we say makes any difference anyhow until a GM gives enough of a shit to post something.

[isitatomic]

Also, about Hasbin's threads citing various people...


-If you support them, then SAY SO.

-If you think they are a ridiculous authoritarian witch hunt and general waste of time, then move to CHANGE OR SCRAP THE RULES.


It's not that complex a situation, folks. I for one ultimately don't care which happens.

[Bhutt]

Glad to see we have Hasbinbad here to "police" things.

There are times in life that people just need to suck things up. Listen kid, I'm sorry you've had a bad home life, people have picked on you, etc. Grow a sack. Go join the military or something.

Last I checked, it's America. If you're acting like a jackass I have every right to call you out on it.

You're acting no different in your postings then the people calling you names. In my opinion, you're worse.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Bhutt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glad to see we have Hasbinbad here to "police" things.

There are times in life that people just need to suck things up. Listen kid, I'm sorry you've had a bad home life, people have picked on you, etc. Grow a sack. Go join the military or something.

Last I checked, it's America. If you're acting like a jackass I have every right to call you out on it.

You're acting no different in your postings then the people calling you names. In my opinion, you're worse.

Everything in bold you should have just left out. It completely invalidated your argument.
That kinda shit is exactly what he is talking about in this thread.
Personal attacks accomplish nothing except prove to everybody that reads this that you have issues yourself and need to make yourself feel better IRL.
Unless that was what you were trying to accomplish, then by all means please keep it up.

Originally Posted by Bhutt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last I checked, it's America. If you're acting like a jackass I have every right to call you out on it.

Ironic.

[Bhutt]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything in bold you should have just left out. It completely invalidated your argument.
That kinda shit is exactly what he is talking about in this thread.
Personal attacks accomplish nothing except prove to everybody that reads this that you have issues yourself and need to make yourself feel better IRL.
Unless that was what you were trying to accomplish, then by all means please keep it up.



Ironic.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ironic.

Quite.

[Malrubius]

I think that those who keep saying that people are offended by the drivel are missing the real problem.

Few are offended...but many (most?) newcomers will instantly lose all respect or interest for any site, or product, or game (or whatever the forums are for), when they read stuff like this. As I said before, most people who see that crap will just lol and move on.

I was frankly surprised that tentonhammer wrote about Project 1999. I think that sort of thing would be much more common, and much more positive, if we presented ourselves as a mature community for a mature product.

Yeah - this probably needs to be enforced to actually change. But again, I think its well worth it.

Bah, I'm rambling. Go read the SoD forums and consider what comes to mind when you think about SoD.