Occupy Wall Street - Success

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just don't take a scattershot approach at everything that has money, that isn't productive.

Agreed.


See what I did there?

[Aadill]

Just started reading this..

http://www.racialicious.com/2011/10/...y-wall-street/

This is important because I think this is what Occupy Wall Street is right now: less of a movement and more of a space. It is a space in which people who feel a similar frustration with the world as it is and as it has been, are coming together and thinking about ways to recreate this world. For some people this is the first time they have thought about how the world needs to be recreated. But some of us have been thinking about this for a while now. Does this mean that those of us who have been thinking about it for a while now should discredit this movement? No. It just means that there is a lot of learning going on down there and that there is a lot of teaching to be done.

[roks1]

• Capitalism is a crime.
  -- k, it's definitely capitalism that's being protested, not inequality... jeje?
• All people regardless of job, longevity, performance or amount of work done now make the same wage.
  *****This includes those with the job ‘homeless’, ‘hobo’, or ‘neckbeard’.
  -- op hates equality
• College education is now free for all people.
  -- op hates education
• All debt is wiped off the books and forgiven.
  *****Including credit cards, mortgages, home equity loans, student loans, personal loans and that $5 that I owe John.
  -- op has child's understanding on government debt
• Government health care is provided for all people
  -- op thinks voters are not interested in having healthcare despite evidence on the contrary (Medicare appeared out of thin air, it's true!)
  *****All those in the insurance industry have been reassigned to be janitors at local high schools
  -- op loves 3rd party payers, as they are clearly involved in medical care and the medical profession and should be treated as such... one moment while I contact Aetna to schedule my checkup at the insurance agency.
• All forms of border constraints have been removed and anyone can travel anywhere at any time. Immigration is no longer a consideration as citizenship now means nothing.
  -- op thinks that arbitrary lines that change over the course of history should dictate a human being's ability to move around the globe... op clearly not a citizen of the world.
• All elections will be done via paper ballot and counted 35 times by ‘trusted’ officials.
  -- op believes that blacks and illegals are the only fraud in elections.
• All drugs are now legal and encouraged to use.
  -- op thinks it has the authority to tell other adults how to treat themselves.
  
• All exports and imports are deemed evil and are banned permanently.
  -- op clearly lives in Middle Earth
• All campaigns are publically financed
  -- op doesn't believe in democracy, because people would fund someone they don't support, in a democracy...
• The military is now disbanded
  -- op is threatened militarily from rowdy canadians.
• 1 Trillion dollars in immediate spending for public works projects
  -- op does not recall any recovery to have taken place during any time after a depression... history is boring.
• All property is now community property.
  -- op doesn't want other people to use it's toilet
• Oil and natural gas is now banned from use. Solar and Wind energy are the only acceptable forms of energy generation.
  -- op has a bumper sticker stating "For every hummer you sell, i will buy 3" with an accompanying "and keep them running!" sticker alongside... also truck nuts. op wonders if oil is generated spontaneously.
• Any company with more than 5 employees is considered an evil corporation and will be dismantled.
  -- op has a clear understanding of how incorporating a business works, involving deals with the devil and a ouija board.
• Shopping and consumerism is forbidden, the government will distribute food and supplies to all people in an equal and just manner.
  -- op has infomercials on in the background while posting, in defiance of anti-consumerist attitudes. op has a poster of billy mays in it's living room. op disregards all religious and philosophical warnings about gluttony. op does not want to share.

Effective tax rate for all people are now 95.2% and the last act of the military is to round up all people with more than $1M of net worth to be jailed indefinitely for crimes against humanity stemming from having possessions that others do not have. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
-- http://www.stanford.edu/class/polisc...20Brackets.pdf
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[Shiftin]

At the end of the day, that's why my life goal is to have enough to "retire" from financial services at 45 and go back to teach personal finance to high school kids. Anything I can do to educate kids about money before they go out and screw up their lives and society because they don't understand it is a huge win.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the end of the day, that's why my life goal is to have enough to "retire" from financial services at 45 and go back to teach personal finance to high school kids. Anything I can do to educate kids about money before they go out and screw up their lives and society because they don't understand it is a huge win.

the last thing the next generation needs is an education from the current education. each generation is left further and further in debt, with more individual liberties being sucked away by the establishment. and then the cycle is repeated. the LAST people we need teaching them is people like you.

[Shiftin]

So we're clear before I add you to my ignore list, you think that kids graduating high school would be better off without a course in personal finance than with one?

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the last thing the next generation needs is an education from the current education. each generation is left further and further in debt, with more individual liberties being sucked away by the establishment. and then the cycle is repeated. the LAST people we need teaching them is people like you.

To an extent, I can agree. However I have no evaluated Shiftin's mindset and therefore cannot and will not address him in a vitriolic manner.

WITH THAT SAID: the indoctrination of the American Dream into the majority of the younger generation is starting to backfire as the population continues to grow. What worked 30 to 40 some years ago for our parents does not necessarily work for people of this generation, and it surely will not work for the next generation of young adults entering the workforce. The problem exists in this very concept that doing business as usual is the only option. The insults about lack of personal responsibility comes not at the people protesting but the previous generation who threw caution to the wind in helping teach the next generation how to handle their own problems. Shiftin is at least aware of these problems and is willing to put forth effort. Considering his current discourse and forbearance of undying support for the broken system we live in leads me to believe he's at least capable of pointing out problems in the system that can allow individuals to evaluate for themselves.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So we're clear before I add you to my ignore list, you think that kids graduating high school would be better off without a course in personal finance than with one?

if you're going to add me to your ignore list, add me instead of announcing it to the world. i certainly don't care, i'm sure that most people don't either.

i'm saying that being taught financial policy by the economic failures that are pushing our country deeper and deeper into debt is bad policy. if you disagree, you are almost certainly part of the problem.

[Shiftin]

Personal finance. What can compounding interest really do to you? How do you know if college / which college is a smart investment for you? Do a rent vs. buy analysis? How does a mortgage work? What are property taxes / how do you do your own short form taxes? How do you save for retirement?

You know, all those evil things.

[Aadill]

Thank you for the conversation vaylorie/Shiftin. I have someone over on another forum/facebook page who are quoting Newt Gingrich and not responding to any conversation whatsoever. When it comes to everyone's future I'd rather learn how I can help and teach it to others than spew insults.