My dear sweet high prince Rogean, sir lord protector king czar lord cesar pal guy

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My dear sweet Rogean, Can you please put in global ooc and patch some things in that are long overdue before the last great white buffalo is hunted to extinction. 70 Players online during prime-time is not what you envisioned for the server and I'm sure you are unhappy with the current state as much as we are, But this server could still support a thriving population following some much needed changes to the server for its overall health. I don't know if you have given up on us or if you are patching tomorrow and that feeling of uncertainty has driven a large amount of players away. If you could just throw us a post or quick 1 minute update on the forums it would do the server and its moral a world of good.

Cliff Notes : Global OOC and other much needed fixes plz and more communication between devs and players needed to sustain server moral




Global OOC and a pop of 200-250 wud have me all lyk :

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[Sirken]

i think its cute that you think tons o people left over the reasons you listed... as opposed to being repeatedly griefed, trained, camped, etc.

sure a handful of vztz kids rage quit because they could not handle classic EQ xp rates, or the fact that this server was not being run as an online FPS.

as a staff member, would u like to know the complaint i hear most of all? because they all have to do with griefing.

this may be a hard pill to swallow, but being the loudest opinion does NOT make you the majority opinion.

<3

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think its cute that you think tons o people left over the reasons you listed... as opposed to being repeatedly griefed, trained, camped, etc.

sure a handful of vztz kids rage quit because they could not handle classic EQ xp rates, or the fact that this server was not being run as an online FPS.

as a staff member, would u like to know the complaint i hear most of all? because they all have to do with griefing.

this may be a hard pill to swallow, but being the loudest opinion does NOT make you the majority opinion.

<3

My god, there, he said it.

So why dont you guys take a long hard look at xp loss in pvp?

Is it out of pride that Rogean cannot say "We made a bad decision, lets not keep going in the same direction" ?

Im not trying to flame, im truely wondering.

Because thats what i suspected, that the main reason people left is that they got clusterfucked repeatedly by a holo/whatever gankzerg and lost xp on top of the harsh pve grind, or had to run all the time from bigger groups instead of standing your ground and getting better at pvp.

Please dont say pvp xp loss is not a factor, why else would people petition if it wasnt?

Im "sorta" good in pvp, i dont die that often, and ive lost ships in eve online that take a week of grinding 6 hours a night to buy. So i havent quit because i cant take a loss or bad at the game.

But even with my patient nature, the way i look at hardcore MMOs, after a good 20vs20 3 hour brawl at 50, losing 3 bars or so of xp through maybe 8 deaths in pvp and 2 deaths in pve, i just lose motivation to keep playing. EQ pvp just isnt fun and deep enough that you have to put that amount of time into pve to get back xp you lose in pvp. Its not classic, either. The way you guys set the server up, i gotta invest twice the time i would need otherwise if it was like Rallos to be able to get my fix of pvp. Die in pvp on Rallos? Go take a piss, go make a sandwich, hit a book/web for 5mins. Its not lost time. Here i can get back to pvp right away, but i need to regain that lost time by pveing, which requires my full attention and forces me to do something im bored with after 50 levels of it. I think the problem here might be perspective, that nobody whos deving actually played a toon to 50.

Maybe thats what you meant by not run like an online FPS but thats what classic was, at least in the heavy pvp zones like Gfay/Crushbone and Blackburrow.
Yes, you had players "Bindrushing" each other for hours in Gfay, as in, they were having fun pvping. Thats how i learned to pvp, by repeatedly dying to better players than me, and figuring out what didnt work and what did.

To me thats the mistake that was made, instead of having an action-oriented server like Rallos was , where most people were running naked/cheap gear or with no drop gear pvping all day everyday, having fun, we had a "Numbers or run" server, where pvp doesnt happen that often because people didnt wanna lose xp on top of the harsh pve grind, aimed toward poopsock zone control. You took this idea from blue of having a way to control camps, where it wasnt needed. People would have controled zones anyway, just would have taken more of a fight to do so.

Indirectly, it played right into the hands of the griefers. All the VZTZ crowd poison pop had already experienced EQ pvp, had lots of training. And then you expect outnumbered, outgeared, outexperienced players to eat xp death each time they die. How were they supposed to get better if they cant practice without getting deleveled?

Now with horror twinks that cant lose gear, running around doing this shit? Good luck trying to get new blood started on the server. Im not being doom and gloom here, im being realistic.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My god, there, he said it.

So why dont you guys take a long hard look at xp loss in pvp?...

lots of crap

Actually, he said nothing of the sort.

Please, give up this retarded cause you spam in every thread. You are almost as bad as holo on yt/gooc, or steaks about exp rates.

In leveling up multiple characters and pvping on them all, never once was I worried about the xp loss from pvp. Its literally 1-2 dark blue kill per pvp death.

Also, didnt you say you quit? Wtf? Why spam this ridiculous crap and make the server look flaky for new guys?

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, he said nothing of the sort.

Please, give up this retarded cause you spam in every thread. You are almost as bad as holo on yt/gooc, or steaks about exp rates.

In leveling up multiple characters and pvping on them all, never once was I worried about the xp loss from pvp. Its literally 1-2 dark blue kill per pvp death.

Also, didnt you say you quit? Wtf? Why spam this ridiculous crap and make the server look flaky for new guys?

He said griefing was the #1 cause for petitions. Can we start on this common basis, that griefing would be less of a problem if you didnt lose xp?

Youre not worried about xp loss from pvp because you dont pvp alot. Like the example i mentioned, i lost 2 yellows (not 3 though but still) from something like 8 pvp deaths and 2 pve deaths in 3 hours.

How long does it take to recoup 2 yellows at 50? Im not sure exactly, but its not exactly trivial. Difference between you and me, is that i want this sort of pvp, every night. so if i did that, i would have to spend something like 3 hours each night, after each night of pvp, grinding pve, to not be deleveled to 49.

I did quit, for the time being. I would consider playing again if I see the server head in a direction that makes me think that there could be an influx of new players that will stick around.

New guys dont need to be told on forums that its boring to get xp farmed by a couple of twinks when youre trying to roll a fresh toon with your 2 RL buddies, they can see for themselves.

Youre probably just thinking with Nihilum in mind, like "Oh no, well be in trouble if we cant pvp xploss death people that try to stop me from farming raid zones with overwhelming numbers"

Im thinking about whats best for the server, in the long run.

Again, this isnt a crack about Nihilum "zerging", somebody has to have to bigger numbers, thats not the point.

For the record, i have no problem with griefing, not alot anyway, its not something i go out of my way to do but dont really mind people doing it. The problem is, the excessive grief it causes to have that kind of xp loss land on top of the pve grind, on top of not having gear, on top of most likely never having the numbers to fight off people out to grief, that causes the server to de-populate.

Ive seen some crazy griefing in Eve, nothing to compare even city champ getting deleveled to 44, but EQ is not deep enough for people to endure this status quo for long. At least thats my take on it.

[Sal]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Youre not worried about xp loss from pvp because you dont die alot. Like the example i mentioned, i lost 2 yellows (not 3 though but still) from something like 8 pvp deaths and 2 pve deaths in 3 hours.

That's your problem right there.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think its cute that you think tons o people left over the reasons you listed... as opposed to being repeatedly griefed, trained, camped, etc.

sure a handful of vztz kids rage quit because they could not handle classic EQ xp rates, or the fact that this server was not being run as an online FPS.

as a staff member, would u like to know the complaint i hear most of all? because they all have to do with griefing.

this may be a hard pill to swallow, but being the loudest opinion does NOT make you the majority opinion.

<3

actually that's completely bogus, i'm pretty sure i knew what i was getting into (i.e. griefing) when i searched out an everquest pvp emulator server 13 years after the game died

news flash: not all of us are eq pvp noobs (maybe you are, idk) and we realize that griefing comes with the territory, griefing is the reason we play

we stopped playing due to staff basically neglecting the server and doing nothing

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually that's completely bogus, i'm pretty sure i knew what i was getting into (i.e. griefing) when i searched out an everquest pvp emulator server 13 years after the game died

news flash: not all of us are eq pvp noobs (maybe you are, idk) and we realize that griefing comes with the territory, griefing is the reason we play

It does come with the territory, but they added another layer of griefing that was unecessary

[Beastro]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually that's completely bogus, i'm pretty sure i knew what i was getting into (i.e. griefing) when i searched out an everquest pvp emulator server 13 years after the game died

news flash: not all of us are eq pvp noobs (maybe you are, idk) and we realize that griefing comes with the territory, griefing is the reason we play

we stopped playing due to staff basically neglecting the server and doing nothing

Not everyone who enjoys PvP likes your form of it.

I love to grief as much as anyone else, but this isn't a server with 2000+ people and it rarely gets a good influx of new sheep to kill so you shouldn't been reaping more than can be sowed.

[Stinkum]

interesting theory but i'm pretty sure that nobody loves eq classic pvp so much that they sought it out 13 years later, googled an emulator server, installed titanium, took all the time to patch and figure out how to play red99, and then were so shocked and appalled that pvp was happening that they ragequit

people know exactly what eq pvp entails (griefing) and that is why they love it

people quit because of 0 development and staff neglect