Daliant admits to RMT, will GMs even ban someone who openly admits it?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Lol I'm still giggling at people trying to say TMO isn't dirty like everyone knows they are

I think most of the reasoned comments here are focusing on the idea that these problems are individual violations and can be exceptionally difficult to police.

A quick use of common sense, history, or statistics will clearly cause you to realize that every guild is going to have individuals that will break these rules. From Daliant & Durison in TMO, to Kitai and Botnet in VD, and a number of IB members, every major guild will experience it within its ranks at some point or another.

It seems reasonable to only hold a guild accountable when it refuses to take action against any outed or reasonably suspected member. As this thread and its attendant sub-threads have clearly shown, accusers, defenders, trolls, and opportunists are taking every possible chance to cloud the waters. This is only making it more difficult.

I submit that if many of the posters here wanted to improve the server by the elimination of RMT, they'd take their concerns and proof to both the GM's and all the officers of the guild in question first. Instead, we immediately see a strict display of opportunism to grind an axe. Public outing can be effective, but let's not hide behind the shield of P99 Patriotism when all you want to do is effectively call someone an E-Faggot.

I believe that it is completely disingenuous to think that any guild that wishes to continue in its existence will openly or subtly support rules violations as a matter or policy. Just as IB and VD members had a sell off, I'm sure you'd see a sell off from a number of TMO members if TMO disbanded. Point is, there is nothing that an organization can ultimately do to prevent this. It can be discouraged by a rationally acting self-preserving guild, but not prevented wholesale.

Do not mistake me, public outing is a tool that can work well. I personally have a very strong expectation that my guild's leadership will respond to this situation and remove anyone found to have seriously violated the server rules.

I suspect that the GM's have been reluctant to deal with rules violations because many people just want to use the staff as a cudgel for personal reasons and not out of any sense of altruism or correctness.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This quote alone proves you know jack shit about the camp or have even camped it..

It needs to be trio'd.. especially now...... stop frontin newb

Or maybe I know some things you don't. Did you consider that possibility before you decided to uncork the RNF?

[Angkar]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Genius....NONE of the GM's play

Rogean - Head GM/ Head of CSR / Developre
Nilbog Project Manager/Developer/GM
Amelinda Server GM

Guides:
Sirken : Does not play
Ambrotos: Plays, not in TMO
Enroth: (new guide) Plays, not in TMO
Roids: (new guide on red) Plays, on red.... not in TMO

I dont think you understand the difference between GM and Dev...

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by Angkar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think you understand the difference between GM and Dev...

lol why don't you explain it to me.

[Diggles]

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Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apology not accepted. Go jerk off to some tranny furry hentai porn, weirdo.

[Light My Fire]

Ponies are fucking gay.

[godbox]

winning thread would read again

wish they left harry potter dead at the end though

[godbox]

I think the most poignant comment in this whole thread full of elawyering is that people on the forums act like shit head lil brats who either attack each other or the server staff while arguing the semantics of each others sentence diagrams.

"ipso facto you just got out lawyerd bro"

will just real quick give a shout out thanks to i love playin on p99 its a blast from the past with great community and great gameplay

[somnia]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think most of the reasoned comments here are focusing on the idea that these problems are individual violations and can be exceptionally difficult to police.

A quick use of common sense, history, or statistics will clearly cause you to realize that every guild is going to have individuals that will break these rules. From Daliant & Durison in TMO, to Kitai and Botnet in VD, and a number of IB members, every major guild will experience it within its ranks at some point or another.

It seems reasonable to only hold a guild accountable when it refuses to take action against any outed or reasonably suspected member. As this thread and its attendant sub-threads have clearly shown, accusers, defenders, trolls, and opportunists are taking every possible chance to cloud the waters. This is only making it more difficult.

I submit that if many of the posters here wanted to improve the server by the elimination of RMT, they'd take their concerns and proof to both the GM's and all the officers of the guild in question first. Instead, we immediately see a strict display of opportunism to grind an axe. Public outing can be effective, but let's not hide behind the shield of P99 Patriotism when all you want to do is effectively call someone an E-Faggot.

I believe that it is completely disingenuous to think that any guild that wishes to continue in its existence will openly or subtly support rules violations as a matter or policy. Just as IB and VD members had a sell off, I'm sure you'd see a sell off from a number of TMO members if TMO disbanded. Point is, there is nothing that an organization can ultimately do to prevent this. It can be discouraged by a rationally acting self-preserving guild, but not prevented wholesale.

Do not mistake me, public outing is a tool that can work well. I personally have a very strong expectation that my guild's leadership will respond to this situation and remove anyone found to have seriously violated the server rules.

I suspect that the GM's have been reluctant to deal with rules violations because many people just want to use the staff as a cudgel for personal reasons and not out of any sense of altruism or correctness.

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[Bodeanicus]

There's a very simple solution to all this. Complete and total wipe of the player database. Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. The we can masturbate wit the tears of the Asperger's victims whose virtual lives have been so unjustly destroyed.