If a new p99 server opened with forced raid target rotations would you switch?

[Cars]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Versus what? Everyone but TMO leaving, kinda like it's been recently?

I think this server has a tendancy to take all of their problems, attach them to something they dont like, then say it's that things fault for everything that is wrong with the server. In this case it's TMO, before that it was IB and you would be stupid if you actually believed that.

What Sony did to fix the issue of people quitting do to boredom and competing for the same old content was to create new content, the difference is a staff of about 200 peeps vs. Nilbog and a rotating flock of mid-low level programmers (no offense). If content was released on P99 at the same pace it was on live, you guys would never even know TMO existed because you would be an expansion behind them. the problem here is content saturation where the casuals get to end game content with the hardcores and then get pissed when they cant beat them at it.

The truth is that EQ is an older MMO designed in a way that was awesome, but short sighted. The only way for them to keep the masses at bay and not in a constant state of bitterly fighting over content was to just keep making content. Unfortunately P99 can't move that fast (again reasonable) and we get a massive bottleneck right at the end of an expansions timeline which causes all this hatred towards a system that shy of variance, would pretty much work for everyone.

It will be interesting to see the FINAL bottleneck at the end of Velious when this server dies.

[Kevlar]

Wipe it clean!

[Thana8088]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is going to start a fire in this thread but its my honest answer. I would start over as would like 90% of my guild if a new blue 99 was opened if and only if TMO was not allowed on that server.

Just so you know, there ARE lots of places in the world where TMO isn't....

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Originally Posted by deneauth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am going to set you on fire and poison you because those are a troll's weakness right?

fire part maybe.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are comparing a server that has scheduled repops and three or four more expansions than P99 on the subject of sharing content.

Nilbog pointed out that the end game guilds are in his opinion much larger than the they were on live. Additionally, I will point out that after this much time had elapsed on live I don't think the top 4 guilds on a server were generally in competition for the same mobs. We've got more people, capped for more time, with more knowledge, on the same mobs.

Yes, which is why I said he has a valid point. I still believe the mindset of people there is way different than the people here. There are no hardcore guilds on EQMac.

On any Server guilds tend to be forced into sharing the high end content. On EQMac this is EPs, PoTime and VT. When I played on EQMac they were not yet in PoTime and no other guilds were in the EPs or even close. VT had drops that many of our members needed but when a smaller guild asked if they could hit VT we happily let them do it and we did it the next week or two weeks later.

There was never a rush to cockblock content. When a guild requested to kill a mob that would give them access to the EPs we happily gave them attempts at the mob. You could equate it to how things are on our server if TMO would let other guilds have a shot at mobs.

I don't believe other guilds are interested in "competing" on p99 TMO has successfully run them all off the server. TMO has stated, or at least I believe they have, that they pretty much have all the drops they need from all current content save Phara Dar. Why not just let a guild or two have a shot at Trak or other Kunark dragons? Does your third alt really need to get that Trak BP or CoF?

What else are you trying to prove to us? We all know you are king. We don't care. We just want to have access to the content you currently dominate and have no interest in sharing.

I am not implying you have to share. The rules of the server put you well within your rights to kill every raid target an hour after they spawn. I just think a server with more sharing would be cool. That is all.

Asher

[Swish]

Unfortunately after a few months you'd probably end up with TMO v2.0 (or with similarities)... new starters would be king of the hill! Woohooo! GREAT!

OK, now you've split the server population either in half or at least screwed up what is already a quiet server. At this point the "race to 60" people have hit 60, and either started raiding (if it's doable with the new server population) or gone back to the old server where they had many more pixels, more cash and didn't have to try as hard.

Meanwhile a raiding guild on Server 2 would probably dominate another, there might be a merger but you'd certainly end up with that Guild 1 screws Guild 2 over again and in 2-3 years... here we are again with another bunch of people asking for a 3rd server because they weren't kings of Server 2.

By then Rogean would probably have to merge Server 2 into Server 1 to keep one looking healthy if Server 3 (realistically the new Server 2) gets launched.

Overall:-

1. P99 Red wasn't a success - I'm sure this will have dented the confidence of the devs.

2. There's not enough of a population to support 2 healthy servers at the moment - and in a year after launch numbers on both could resemble P99 red if people can't get groups due to their level (we struggle here as it is sometimes, don't we?).

3. There's other EQ emu servers on the list (EZserver, The Hidden Forest, etc) so alternatives are already available even if there are differences in content). Perhaps you could try those if you're bored or need a change of scene.

4. Many other niggling issues - 2-boxing, RMTs, GM support (can you clone an Amelinda?), etc.

...feel free to disagree, but I think you'll send P99 to an early grave if a new server opens.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course TMO would be against this idea...its not the fun of getting pixels that is fun for a lot of them, it is more fun denying them to other people. Plus, probably the only people left on original P99 would be TMO.

Not sure why you guys are so against others having fun, with all your "go play another game" and "make your own server" blah blah blah Oh, wait, see my first point.

We get it. You guys are the best. You guys put in the time. You guys are the masters of EQ. (at least this non classic, 13 years later server)

Sorry that the other 75% of the server would like to see some more of everquest without dealing with your crap, and sucking you off because you guys were so generous as to leave an actual raid mob up for someone else to kill.

I imagine a fresh server would make the population explode. So many people I know who left, not because they were sick of eq, but they were sick of this entitled attitude that the top people have.

Red99 would still have 15 people on. Current P99 would have 100 people on it. New server would have 800 people on it.

Guess TMO people worried they spent all that real money on something that wouldn't be worth as much with a new server.

Give the players a choice. Those that love batphoning and poopsocking can stay here. Those that just want to game a few hours and have a civil rotation, like many classic servers were, can go to a new home.

Agree with everything 100%

Everyone would abandon original blue 99 if a new server opened, including top (hours-spent) players. Getting the shinies is not fun without others to admire.

I would like a server for 98% of EQ players. Our little raiding / co-op guild on Brell in 99 never had to race to content. If we had the force, we got the content. Luckily, "racing to content" was not popular back then. The 2% of EQ players who think that EQ is some huge competition are in the extreme minority...and they have chased the other 98% of players away from the game.

Sad that (I think) the stewards of P99 (devs/gm's/etc) are in that 2% as well.

Here's my idea for preventing that 2% from chasing away the other 98%.

1. Either give out raid tokens so folks with the force can do the raid once a week
or
2. Make it so each toon can participate in each raid encounter once only. Assuming the target dies, the player cannot engage that mob again ever.

I prefer option 2 or some derivative of it. This would create a vibrant economy. If a player reeaaally wants that raid encounter again, they can spend two days powerleveling another toon. When I played P99 in 2010, powerleveling was rampant.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately after a few months you'd probably end up with TMO v2.0 (or with similarities)... new starters would be king of the hill! Woohooo! GREAT!

OK, now you've split the server population either in half or at least screwed up what is already a quiet server. At this point the "race to 60" people have hit 60, and either started raiding (if it's doable with the new server population) or gone back to the old server where they had many more pixels, more cash and didn't have to try as hard.

Meanwhile a raiding guild on Server 2 would probably dominate another, there might be a merger but you'd certainly end up with that Guild 1 screws Guild 2 over again and in 2-3 years... here we are again with another bunch of people asking for a 3rd server because they weren't kings of Server 2.

By then Rogean would probably have to merge Server 2 into Server 1 to keep one looking healthy if Server 3 (realistically the new Server 2) gets launched.

Overall:-

1. P99 Red wasn't a success - I'm sure this will have dented the confidence of the devs.

2. There's not enough of a population to support 2 healthy servers at the moment - and in a year after launch numbers on both could resemble P99 red if people can't get groups due to their level (we struggle here as it is sometimes, don't we?).

3. There's other EQ emu servers on the list (EZserver, The Hidden Forest, etc) so alternatives are already available even if there are differences in content). Perhaps you could try those if you're bored or need a change of scene.

4. Many other niggling issues - 2-boxing, RMTs, GM support (can you clone an Amelinda?), etc.

...feel free to disagree, but I think you'll send P99 to an early grave if a new server opens.

I think you are missing the point of this thread. The poll does not ask if you would start on a new server it asks if you would start on a new server with forced raid target rotations.

I dont care if TMO, or TMO2.0 would join that server. Every capable guild would have an even shot at taking down mobs. No cockblocking content. No raid target disputes for guides/GMs to have to deal with. Community decides on a rotation schedule. GMs give it their blessing and the server runs with it.

I would rather play on a server with half our population and be able to kill kunark dragons, VP, VS once a month or even once every other month then continue playing on P99 and being excluded from that content because I am not willing to put in the time required to "compete".

250 people is more than enough for me to have fun on a server locked at Kunark or Velious. Who knows, we may even gain people if they can be casual and have a shot at these targets.

Asher

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you are missing the point of this thread. The poll does not ask if you would start on a new server it asks if you would start on a new server with forced raid target rotations.

I dont care if TMO, or TMO2.0 would join that server. Every capable guild would have an even shot at taking down mobs. No cockblocking content. No raid target disputes for guides/GMs to have to deal with. Community decides on a rotation schedule. GMs give it their blessing and the server runs with it.

I would rather play on a server with half our population and be able to kill kunark dragons, VP, VS once a month or even once every other month then continue playing on P99 and being excluded from that content because I am not willing to put in the time required to "compete".

250 people is more than enough for me to have fun on a server locked at Kunark or Velious. Who knows, we may even gain people if they can be casual and have a shot at these targets.

Asher

with the picture you have painted of TMO we would join as well, and make 10 guilds of 10 people in each and take up 10 slots in your rotation. Enjoy

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you are missing the point of this thread.

The point of these poll threads is usually... "Hey guys, I've got this great idea to improve my P99 experience".

Opening a new server with "raid condition X" is still splitting a quiet server population to two quieter server populations. You might be happy climbing the ladder to raid, but many of us who play socially and struggle to find a group (group dependant classes such as rogues etc) will have the carpet pulled out from under us. I've made a bunch of characters and only made it as high as 43 in two years - if all the new starters are on Server 2, my characters are going to struggle even further to group. But hey, who cares right...? Gief new server!

The point I'm making is there's relevant consequences behind any change like this that you're overlooking.