Rules clarification - Page 11

Lazortag · #**101** 07-04-2012, 11:20 AM

When you invoke first-to-15, you preclude other guilds from competing with you. When you camp a large force near a raid mob but not directly on top of its spawn, other guilds can still "compete", it's just that it collapses into who gets FTE. Not taking any sides, just noting a distinction that should be obvious yet has never been mentioned in the last 11 pages.

touchtonedialing · #**102** 07-04-2012, 11:29 AM

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When you invoke first-to-15, you preclude other guilds from competing with you.

Thats a very good point. TMO knew they wouldn't win so they didnt want to compete.

TMO!

"We want competition. Unless we arnt going to win, then we dont."

Harazzer · #**103** 07-04-2012, 11:40 AM

They need more trak bps to sell and more trak teeth for the feeder guild duh!

For real though, is standard procedure just to shit up a thread so it immediately goes to RNF, then continue to shit on it until everyone stops reading? When did server boards become somethingawful?

Asedo · #**104** 07-04-2012, 12:35 PM

Gratz TMO on not even making a week before causing a shit fest. Bottom line is BDA came down to Trak and had 40+ to rip through Trak. You guys only had a few and had no way to beat them to Trak. So you pull out a bullshit rule so you don't have to race to it. Bottomline is when someone tries to compete for a mob and you can't win that time you will pull whatever bullshit you can to get it. You can say whatever you want about it being cause of IB, VD, or who ever. Just once someone tries to compete you guys do everything you can to try to push that guild off the server. Oh btw gratz on being biggest dueche bags alive. WTB back the last 2 weeks of guilds having fun with pixels and not fighting over it.

Alarti0001 · #**105** 07-04-2012, 12:37 PM

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Hold on! TMO and Enraptured are raiding together?! I demand they merge this instant!

(After all, isn't that what TMO bitched about for months when IB/TR was raiding with VD?)

We bitched about VD getting a spot in a Trak rotation as all their gear and VP keys were just feeding IB. We are not merging with enraptured and there is no rotation so your point is moot.

Alarti0001 · #**106** 07-04-2012, 12:40 PM

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Gratz TMO on not even making a week before causing a shit fest. Bottom line is BDA came down to Trak and had 40+ to rip through Trak. You guys only had a few and had no way to beat them to Trak. So you pull out a bullshit rule so you don't have to race to it. Bottomline is when someone tries to compete for a mob and you can't win that time you will pull whatever bullshit you can to get it. You can say whatever you want about it being cause of IB, VD, or who ever. Just once someone tries to compete you guys do everything you can to try to push that guild off the server. Oh btw gratz on being biggest dueche bags alive. WTB back the last 2 weeks of guilds having fun with pixels and not fighting over it.

Bottom line. We had like 50 TMO on for trak within 1 min of spawn. + like 15 or so Enraptured.

Poopsocking just causes people to idle on a character and not play the game. If there was no poopsocking the 15 on spawn rule wouldn't exist. Stop poopsocking.

Asedo · #**107** 07-04-2012, 01:00 PM

So basically you guys had 50+ camped out and that isn't poopsock'n Trak. Your point is i am guessing no one is allowed to poopsock mobs unless you are TMO. Cause 50+ in under a minute is poopsock'n. You guys are just having issues with that we had 40+ people down there killin juggs and rdy to go if Trak spawned. So Alarti don't yell at other people for trying to get pixels from poopsocking when that is all that TMO does.

Verenity · #**108** 07-04-2012, 01:34 PM

I had really hoped that as far as this competition goes, it wouldn't go to the 15-man rule.
Grats on Trak, see you next time.

finalgrunt · #**109** 07-04-2012, 01:35 PM

I wonder if any of you feels the classic experience during such "fights" over dragons.

Frieza_Prexus · #**110** 07-04-2012, 01:37 PM

I believe Dagner has hit the nail on the head. Does 15 manning a spawn make for a lot of fun? No, but it is entirely logical. The goal is to win the mob, but under the proposed scheme we'd have to have a full raid "killing juggs." Instead of 15 manning, the new standard is jugg killing with a raid. It seems obvious to me that both "standards" lead to different forms of escalation. It just so happens that 15 manning the spawn is the established method, and more easily adjudicated. That said, 15 maning only happens very very late in a window, or in response to another guild's being present in force.

TMO was often careful to not log too many in at once in order to keep TR's itchy batphone finger from slipping. TR did the same thing.

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Originally Posted by shifting

Yes, they're definitely not the guild that pioneered:

Laying FD under trak and popping up to claim FTE AND running in folks DA idols when they didn't have the people to kill it, forcing IB to run out of the lair or finish our kill and hand them the loot (multiple times).

Running in and spamming aggro spells / clickies to pull aggro on trak to give him life back through lifetaps (multiple times).

AEing CCd trains when VS was being pulled to zone to break the CC and cause a massive wipe of both IB and half of KC.

No wait, all of those things were TMO, and almost all were Zeelot personally, before anyone from any other guild sunk to that level of utter nonsense rules lawyering.

Am afraid this post gets lost, so bumping it ! Shiftin is right here. All those facts are true, and I dare any TMO to claim those to be false.

That's the way TMO was "competing" with TR back in the day. Playing FTE rule no matter what. No raid force ? Doesn't matter ! just be the first one on aggro list and have another guild to kill the mob for you.

Alarti, Stealin, Tiggle, you can spin the machine as much as you want ! What TMO did yesterday is a dickmove. Yes, it is allowed by the raid rules, but what part of that don't you understand ?

DA tanking in Trak's lair was an accepted strategy that both guilds employed. I dare say that IB employed it more often that us initially until Zeelot began lying FD in the lair. DA tanking was extremely risky and has lost each guild almost as many traks as it won. What exactly is the issue with it? I personally found that to be a huge rush. Further, TR members routinely bragged about DA tanking on the FoH boards.

Having been there for the instances you claim we were attempting to heal trak, I directly challenge that notion. In all instances I specifcially recall the mass confusion in vent and Zeelot shouting that it's his. But, I could be wrong. Perhaps he's merely a convincing actor.

AEing a CC'd train was wrong. TMO was properly punished for that.

I hope the above has been a sufficient rehash to address the quoted poster's concerns. These scenarios have always been the norm. SHOULD they be? I don't know, but that is what the situation has become. 15 manning a spawn is an established rule and it is entirely logical. To think that it WON'T happen late in a window is silly.

I will point out that TMO has never unilaterally broken interguild agreements. I suspect that if BDA were to negotiate an FTE deal/standard with TMO that it would survive.