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[Clark]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People always tell me I'm crazy, but the blue server seemed a LOT more stable before R99 came up, as I remember it anyway.

Was also more people playing on blue at the time.

So I don't believe the population is the cause. R99 is the cancer. We know the cure. Why do the devs deny it? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is so true. Shit happens WAY more often now.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously they get enough via donations and ad revenue to probably make this a positive gain "business", or I think it would have been killed long ago.

This is a pretty inane statement. Plenty of people run stuff like this without making money because they have other enjoyment they receive from it. My bet is it's probably close to break-even or maybe a tiny bit more - but nothing even close to a real business.

People always tell me I'm crazy, but the blue server seemed a LOT more stable before R99 came up, as I remember it anyway.

Was also more people playing on blue at the time.

So I don't believe the population is the cause. R99 is the cancer. We know the cure. Why do the devs deny it?

Because as soon as they take R99 down, the Vz-Tz dudes will start screaming about how "if there was only another stable box, then everyone would play and it would dwarf blue 99 and it would be awesome" or some other nonsense.

R99 basically proves that no, not that many people are interested in EQ PvP, and for good reason. As long as it stands, they shut their stupid mouths and don't run around ruining our forums like they did a short time after the last VZTZ collapsed.

[maahes]

Nerds, calm down. Stop raging!

[Danyelle]

While I agree that the "It's free to play so we should have no expectations" crap is a terrible excuse and people should stop using it, to assume this project is profitable enough to be a business is absurd.

First off I'm pretty sure that Rogean hosts more servers than just P99/R99. I believe PEQ is also hosted by Rogean. When I was a GM on BoTA I know he offered to host that server for Akk as well. There's likely others. Then there's the login server as a whole which I believe he has a part, if not the primary role, in hosting. This forum/site. The EQEmu forum/wiki etc (I believe he also hosts. If not KLS does). etc etc etc

People forget there's a lot more being paid for than P99/R99. Yes there are ass tons of people here that donate. Some that feel compelled to do it almost weekly/monthly. I donated as well a couple times back when I was on PEQ, when I was more financially stable irl. I can't speak for the project's finances, but I'd venture a guess that even with all that plus adsense etc I highly doubt the server/project is making any profit at all. At absolute best it's breaking even.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by hilikus010 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why do we have a damn pvp server with 25 people playing thats bullet proof and the main server just crashes 3-4 times a week...

#1. The underlying cause of the crashes over the past month or so has been corrected, we believe. It is important to us.

#2. If 500 players are using something, there is a greater chance a problem will occur than when 25 players use it. Make sense?

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate when people use the "it's free" excuse.

Obviously they get enough via donations and ad revenue to probably make this a positive gain "business", or I think it would have been killed long ago.

What, you think rogean is footing some 1k a month bill so you all can play? I highly doubt it.

You are ridiculously wrong. Donations barely cover the hosting costs.. and I mean barely. Lots more people used to donate than do now. You would think having two servers would have increased the amount of people who would donate, but that assumption would be wrong.

Also, knowing that I don't make any money from doing this, it's quite offensive to hear someone like yourself say you're tired of hearing the 'it's free' excuse. You see, I get paid to develop things irl, so I know this is fucking free. Else, you would be paying our developer salaries from your subscription fee. You aren't required to pay anything, so it is free.

What isn't free is hosting the server. If you want to help with that please do. If this was a business, I wouldn't tell you to stfu.

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think Rogean has never dished out of his own pocket for this project?

How much money do you think the average developer on this server makes IRL at their day job?

How many hours do you think these dev's have put into this project?

Pretty much this. I can't speak for all members of the staff, but I 'donate' a portion of my RL time every day recreating classic everquest just so it will exist somewhere. I have spent a ridiculous amount of time and would destroy everyone at Everquest trivia :P

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes there are ass tons of people here that donate. Some that feel compelled to do it almost weekly/monthly. I donated as well a couple times back when I was on PEQ, when I was more financially stable irl. I can't speak for the project's finances, but I'd venture a guess that even with all that plus adsense etc I highly doubt the server/project is making any profit at all. At absolute best it's breaking even.

In the past, we sometimes would have a surplus of donations, which would carry over to help cover off-time months. Now, we do not have that luxury, and the donations barely cover the cost of the server. Profit is absolutely laughable for a couple of reasons. As I have stated in the past, the excess donations go towards future payments for hosting.

If something happened where donations no longer reached the necessary amount for hosting, Rogean and I would cover costs for the server, but I don't know for how long. He might feel differently than myself, but I'm not keen on working for free and paying rent for random people to complain for no reason.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not keen on working for free and paying rent for random people to complain for no reason.

Don't blame ya.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate when people use the "it's free" excuse.

Obviously they get enough via donations and ad revenue to probably make this a positive gain "business", or I think it would have been killed long ago.

What, you think rogean is footing some 1k a month bill so you all can play? I highly doubt it.

Really?...

[Snagglepuss]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a pretty inane statement. Plenty of people run stuff like this without making money because they have other enjoyment they receive from it. My bet is it's probably close to break-even or maybe a tiny bit more - but nothing even close to a real business.



Because as soon as they take R99 down, the Vz-Tz dudes will start screaming about how "if there was only another stable box, then everyone would play and it would dwarf blue 99 and it would be awesome" or some other nonsense.

R99 basically proves that no, not that many people are interested in EQ PvP, and for good reason. As long as it stands, they shut their stupid mouths and don't run around ruining our forums like they did a short time after the last VZTZ collapsed.

Pretty much this ^

I remember when I would read the forums and every thread would some how get derailed to how popular a red 99 server would be if there was one, and how every post or question would get related to "how it was on RZ brah".

[Woobi]

Don't let the haters bother you nilbog.

For every one jackass that posts that, there are a dozen of us who greatly appreciate your work and know how 'free' it actually is.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1. The underlying cause of the crashes over the past month or so has been corrected, we believe. It is important to us.

#2. If 500 players are using something, there is a greater chance a problem will occur than when 25 players use it. Make sense?



You are ridiculously wrong. Donations barely cover the hosting costs.. and I mean barely. Lots more people used to donate than do now. You would think having two servers would have increased the amount of people who would donate, but that assumption would be wrong.

Also, knowing that I don't make any money from doing this, it's quite offensive to hear someone like yourself say you're tired of hearing the 'it's free' excuse. You see, I get paid to develop things irl, so I know this is fucking free. Else, you would be paying our developer salaries from your subscription fee. You aren't required to pay anything, so it is free.

What isn't free is hosting the server. If you want to help with that please do. If this was a business, I wouldn't tell you to stfu.



Pretty much this. I can't speak for all members of the staff, but I 'donate' a portion of my RL time every day recreating classic everquest just so it will exist somewhere. I have spent a ridiculous amount of time and would destroy everyone at Everquest trivia :P



In the past, we sometimes would have a surplus of donations, which would carry over to help cover off-time months. Now, we do not have that luxury, and the donations barely cover the cost of the server. Profit is absolutely laughable for a couple of reasons. As I have stated in the past, the excess donations go towards future payments for hosting.

If something happened where donations no longer reached the necessary amount for hosting, Rogean and I would cover costs for the server, but I don't know for how long. He might feel differently than myself, but I'm not keen on working for free and paying rent for random people to complain for no reason.

Personally, Nilbog, I don't know why these threads endure. You don't have to explain yourself to people like this. Anyone remotely smart and grateful knows what you guys do for all the players here. I know it gets your goat when people say you guys make money hand over fist doing this and aren't doing shit for the players, but I think the forums and the server as a whole would benefit tremendously if these threads were deleted and these idiots who complain weren't given a voice.