PVP server

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will not see Nilbog/Rogean creating a high quality pvp enviroment, not because of their ability, but because of the time it takes away from working on other details. I doubt that any of the staff will have any free time when Kunark doesn't even have quests yet and Plane of Sky isn't ready.

The CTF is a good start, totally in agreement, but it needs a lot of work when you just die and get full mana/health to rush over and over and over. Direction is good, but the quality is not up to par. Implementing pvp is going to take a lot of serious and dedicated work, I fully believe that the P99 staff does not have the resources or time to commit to pvp.

So no matter what we would "like" to see, legit pvp is not in our future unless a crew with talent steps up. Finding exploits and bugs within the game is not a big issue, at least it isn't to me.

I suggested these 2 ideas on the CTF thread:

- Make guild wars work

- Make reds be able to group with blues

Im not a programmer, but to me it seems simple ideas enough to implement, and then they just work on their own once the basic framework is working, its players who "create the content" by picking the pvp hotspots they like.

Again, im not a programmer, and the devs might wanna leave pvp on the ice until they work on K/V. If its easy to implement though, i think it would create alot of renewed interest on the server, me for example im not sure i would roll an alt right now after getting a druid to 45, cuz i dont wanna burn. But with pvp on id do it right now, cuz its a whole other experience, that could add alot to the server in longevity and popularity.

Also they can just put it out like "Look, we dont have time to run after the pvp exploits right now with K/V but heres the framework, play with it and dont bitch" and people like me would play with it as is, until everything is smoothed out and they can get back at it when time permits.

[SearyxTZ]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As fun as it would be for a PVP server there are a lot of things to consider for running one. The type of people that PVP servers attract are some of the hardest type of people to deal with.

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surprisingly good insight.


I've been playing on EQ PvP servers since its inception. I'm staff on the VZTZ (doing a whole lot of nothing due to RL obligations), and at one point I was running the server... before Gronkus and I basically wanted to shoot our brains out.

I'm not going to turn this into an advertisement since this is your server board, but I will say that Voidd understands development and works really hard on that server. The in-game GMs (particularly Sirken) are legit in dealing with the difficult PvP crowd of players, and Keegan has shelled out a lot of his own money to keep it running.

The type of players any "hardcore" PvP setting attracts is never going to change, especially when there's open lines of communication between them. Same types that do Diablo II hardcore are the same types that do EQ PvP and most FPS games. And they bring baggage. I'll refrain from slandering all of you as being carebears, but this place is like kumbaya in comparison. EQLive blue was always 10x as popular as red (I never understood why, personally).

One last thing: I don't see any drawbacks to having the guildwar feature on a blue server - it's optional/temporary, and that was what turned me on to PvP to begin with.

Kudos to having such a large population. I've loosely followed the EQEmu dev community since it started, and never thought I'd see a classic server breaking 500 players.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You will not see Nilbog/Rogean creating a high quality pvp enviroment, not because of their ability, but because of the time it takes away from working on other details.

this is no rocket science. when verant/soe started sullon zek, they copy pasted blue servers and made a pvp fix here and there (and this is also why pvp started to go down the tube with luclin/pop, 500+resist gear etc but we aint going that far)

iam all for a new pvp-server started by nilbog/rogean n`staff

[Weekapaug]

I'm new to EMUs with P99, but just to throw my 2 cp in...

The time I spent on Sullon Zek for the months it was live pre-Luclin was some of the most amazing EQ I ever got to experience and I would love a chance to do it again.

Just for reference, I started live at release and played fairly consistently thru around TBS....8-9 years-ish. Bitch as people may about PvP, most of the critics never played it....It puts a crazy twist on the game we love and makes you look at classes, skills, spells, gear, zones....practically everything differently.

And just like blue eq, it's hard. And that's why it's awesome.

[lauremore]

Why not just allow for guild wars, and let that be it? Honestly, having played on RZ for years I can tell you, you do not want the hackers or cheaters here. Their entire goal is to bring your server down and laugh about it. They have minuscule lives outside of EQ and the only reason they hack EQ is because the client is extremely easy to hack and they got banned from WOW. These people are scum and you really don't want them here. Trust me.


Now if you wanted to guild war, that wouldn't be so bad, obviously people have a choice to war or not and if some nice rules are set up for higher end guilds it could bring some nice and fun competition, but do not under any circumstances go beyond that. The last thing you want are people here trying to ruin your gaming experience for fun.

[Excision Rottun]

Zek on Live is currently in dire straits do to rampant MQ use and griefers.

The #2 raid guild has collapsed I believe and there is a thread on EQLive asking for suggestions to save the server.

One of the top suggestions is solve hacking / hire a permanent Zek exclusive GM.

Both of which have about a 1% chance of actually happening IMO.

[lauremore]

Thus is why I said allow guild wars to happen, and that is it.

[Taxi]

I think one of the biggest advantages of p99 is the amount of time it takes to level. Ive already stated this but ill say it again, if someone gets his character erased on TZVZ and he finds a way to get around the ip ban, its no biggie cuz you ding 2 on the first mob you kill. A druid PL'd me on TZVZ and i was 13 after one hour or 2.

Wont happen here. Even if they can get around the IP ban, im pretty sure the devs here can lock the account and throw away the key, so feel free to start over and over again if you like. Somehow im betting that they wont.