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Old 06-01-2010, 02:49 PM
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I appreciate what you are saying, but I've played every class in the game to at least 30ish at some point (except ranger, zerker and bst, I think, and I played one of each of those to around 20), and most classes to at least 50ish....They are all fun to me. Some more than others of course, but I'm entirely flexible with this. I'm really interested in hearing specifics about duos people had experience playing during the actual Kunark and Velious eras.

For the record, I played a shaman alt to 75ish with around 500 AA, but I did not really sink into it until around Luclin or PoP. I absolutely love the class and I'm fully aware of what shaman are capable of, just not in Kunark and Velious specificly. The comments here have been most helpful in that regard. I could see us going with a shammy/monk or shammy/mage duo. I play a Warrior main now, and had a SK main during the original Kunark and Velious eras live, so I'm probably going to stay away from an SK, honestly....Loved everything about the class at the time, but the lack of DPS when duoing back then drove me nuts....Just like duoing with our mains (cleric and warrior) does now. And we will likely avoid the cleric/mage combo because we already have a cleric. But that's just personal preference....We will take that under consideration though, of course, as we are trying to be completely open-minded about this.

I'm particularly interested in hearing people's specific thoughts about this on a practical level, because Kunark and Velious mobs tend to be a lot harder to deal with on a kill-by-kill basis, camps are harder to break, etc, primarily because of summoning and casting mobs. Because I was a SK then and had something of a perma-group, I never had to deal with any of it solo or duo on any significant level. I've experienced the groupable content of these expansions a lot, but any soloing or duoing I've done there has been in subsequent eras with everything that goes with that (gear, spells, aa, etc), which is an entirely different thing than actually tackling content when it is the current era.

So, again, I appreciate the sentiment behind what you are saying, but that's really not what this is about. I'm a surfer, for example, and lots of surfers subscribe to the old saying "the best surfer is the one having the most fun." In general, I agree with that. But the fact remains, that no matter how much fun I may be having on my best day, any really good surfer is still a better surfer than I am on his worst day having no fun. I may be having a blast trying to advance from a log to a shorter board, but while I'm just trying to get up on that, the more advanced surfer using every manuverable part of a wave to it's fullest makes him, hands down, the "better" surfer.

We have mains we love and plan to stick with. In this case, we are looking for the most effective and efficient duo for Kunark and Velious specificly, because what we will find "fun" is being able to tackle as much content reliably and sustainably as a duo.

Thank you all again for all of your input. I look forward to reading anything else anyone has to add and hope to read more fresh perspectives on this.
Then yes, from what you're saying (especially since you've played a Shammy before) I'd really say Shaman/Monk. Everything I've said so far in the thread has been about the Vel/Kun era classes. Don't get me wrong, I would be advocating Shaman even harder if this were PoP+

Pre-Luclin, you're going to find very few mobs immune to Slow that are in the scope of a duo. This is going to make just about everything, including splitting camps (or just 'tanking' the full camp) very much in your reach. As Phallax said, splitting summoning camps is easy with Root. Root them, Slow them, (snare them if able ie: Innoruuk Shammy) then leave them be while fighting the other mob. If root breaks, reroot. Malo is your friend.

Monks were also very good solo'ers back in Kunark. Combine that with what you can do with a shaman and it's very yummy. Between the two of them, you'll be able to split just about any camp, and if something goes wrong pre-shammy in the fight, you can feign it off and try again. Mend is a lifesaver if something happens to the shaman/for summoning mobs.

While this combo won't tear through things quite as fast as the double dps duos, it's much safer, and can take on just about anything you would look to tackle. And if you're curious, I was the Monk back then, and my guild leader was the Shaman. We duo'd quite a bit of the content. (Although sometimes I was wondering if he even needed me. :P)

Plus... Monks just look cooler doing the same stuff other classes would do in that duo. ^.~
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:55 PM
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JBB is redonkulous. Someone doesnt know the power of a manaless nuke, the 8 sec cast is basically 8 secs of slight mana regen, and come velious with FT is another thing. A shaman, in theory, is going to be slow+torpor tanking thus neglecting chain cani. So the JBB click is $$. Trust me Ive played shaman since live classic all the way thru Omens, i love the class, pick shaman in any game that offers it because of thier versatility.
Not trying to turn this into a pissing match, but I've also played a shaman for years and you don't know what you're talking about. Why click a JBB when you can be doing so much other important shit? JBB is 263 damage iirc. You can cast a fucking gimp dot like Ebolt in half the time and do 3.75 times more damage for 200 mana.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:58 PM
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I know i advocated enc/dru earlier, but If your doing shaman/monk, you can always do a ikky shaman/monk combo and be really badass
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:02 PM
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Magus stays the best class in the game. Epic does not come out till after Velious anyhow.
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:04 PM
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Not trying to turn this into a pissing match, but I've also played a shaman for years and you don't know what you're talking about. Why click a JBB when you can be doing so much other important shit? JBB is 263 damage iirc. You can cast a fucking gimp dot like Ebolt in half the time and do 3.75 times more damage for 200 mana.
Thats mana that can be spent on a slow or torpor. Free casting is the best thing ever...Theres really no discussion about it. In kunark and velios JBB is near priceless. Ill admit with the way the game works post-Velious with AAs, gear, new spells etc that JBB starts to lose its worth but this is classic, not Luclin+
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:07 PM
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2 cleric dwarves is the best duo.


infinite free beer clicky !!!!
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Old 06-02-2010, 11:27 PM
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2 cleric dwarves is the best duo.


infinite free beer clicky !!!!
I take back everything I've said in this thread. ^.~ :P
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:08 AM
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Thats mana that can be spent on a slow or torpor. Free casting is the best thing ever...Theres really no discussion about it. In kunark and velios JBB is near priceless. Ill admit with the way the game works post-Velious with AAs, gear, new spells etc that JBB starts to lose its worth but this is classic, not Luclin+
Explain to me why it's beneficial to do minimal damage for no mana as opposed to much better damage for a small amount of mana that can easily be made up over a few seconds of torpor + canni spamming? I agree, a mana free nuke would be amazing to any other class but doesn't really benefit a class with virtually unlimited mana, with the fastest mana regen in the game by far.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:18 AM
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Explain to me why it's beneficial to do minimal damage for no mana as opposed to much better damage for a small amount of mana that can easily be made up over a few seconds of torpor + canni spamming? I agree, a mana free nuke would be amazing to any other class but doesn't really benefit a class with virtually unlimited mana, with the fastest mana regen in the game by far.
Even tho you claimed to have played a shaman, you obviously never soloed anything worth while...Its pointless trying to proove my point to someone thats only seeing things their way and refuse to open their mind to other aspect.

Shaman dots are far from being "small amounts of mana" atm our best dots cost 300 mana, thats pretty steep to a 2k mana pool which Im gonna guess is average for most shaman atm. When soloing stuff worth while, it takes awhile and youre getting your ass pounded in the process, chain cani isnt much of an otion, you cani when you can afford it but you dont chain cani. Even when DUOing shamans take a good portion of dmg and DoTing isnt efficient as healing your partner to do the dmg.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:38 AM
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Please tell me what you consider "worthwhile" ... and please don't say Yeldema.
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