If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz

science is a belief system lmao

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

faith and belief are absolutely not synonymous, and science is a 100% faith-based system.

You don't think anything through before you type this rubbish do you? :P

Of course no one man knows all of the scientific studies that have been made, but theories are not just instantly believed, they are tested and approached from a skeptical standpoint. Evidence is required for the theory to become seen as useful.

Religion is the opposite. The theories (I use this word as a counterpoint, I realise I am demeaning it by using it in a theological context) are taken as truth to start with and questioning or testing is positively discouraged.

Certainly some belief is required in both cases, but some belief is required in every single thought due to the fickle nature of perception and our interpretation of sense-data, and to equate the two on this basis is extremely disingenuous.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This sentence seems simply contradictory to me. Science is nothing but the repeated application of the scientific method. But maybe what you are trying to say is that you don't consider choosing the empirical answer an act of faith but instead reason.

In that case I submit that science clearly requires faith. Remember Popper: science is the set of theories that 1) are testable and 2) have not yet been proven false. So even when you make the 'logical' decision you are to some extent making a leap of faith, and those theories are falsified all the time: think grue/bleen or Newton's laws of motion or a turkey's estimate of a farmer's concern for his well-being. Even worse, you have to believe in the predictability of the universe - something you cannot by definition prove inductively.

Hence why they are called theories you use them because they are the best of what we know with the information we are able to obtain.

Scientists have trust or confidence in the scientific method because of its repeated history of solving problems or questions. There is much evidence to support this with hundreds or thousands of years of testable data.

[Darthmuhh]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ironic you call me a bigot for wanting to see religion. Ironic in the sense that Religion creates, condones, and encourages intolerance in so far as to call for genocides and oppression.

Wait...oh, I see...yer talking about the muslims w/ the genocides and oppression. So genius Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong were not responsible for tens of millions of deaths? Umm yeah, guess you know it all though, huh? You talk out the side of yer head showing what a moron you truly are and spew the same mindless crap that you read some place on the internet trying to look like yer a cool rebel...eh, pathetic.

If you are such a free thinker then you should be above all of the religion hype with your superior intellect....eh, guess not =D Glen Beck, sends kisses.

[Darthmuhh]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WHY DO THEY CALL IT AN XBOX 360?! CAUSE WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU DO A 360 AND WALK AWAY!!!


LOLOLOLWOWTRADECHAT!!!!RELIGIONHITLERGEARSCORENWOR D!!!!!!!

Ummm, wouldnt you be walking right for it again =D You cabt resists it pull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Reiker000]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't think anything through before you type this rubbish do you? :P

Hasbinbad is an idiot, stop arguing with him.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't think anything through before you type this rubbish do you? :P

Of course no one man knows all of the scientific studies that have been made, but theories are not just instantly believed, they are tested and approached from a skeptical standpoint. Evidence is required for the theory to become seen as useful.

Religion is the opposite. The theories (I use this word as a counterpoint, I realise I am demeaning it by using it in a theological context) are taken as truth to start with and questioning or testing is positively discouraged.

Certainly some belief is required in both cases, but some belief is required in every single thought due to the fickle nature of perception and our interpretation of sense-data, and to equate the two on this basis is extremely disingenuous.

Religion and faith are not synonyms.
Science is a faith-based system. Go ask your professor. :P

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Reiker000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hasbinbad is an idiot, stop arguing with him.

Hasbinbad says, 'XY and Z are true because of AB and C.'
Reiker says, 'Oh yeah, well you're just stupid.'

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hasbinbad says, 'XY and Z are true because of AB and C.'
Reiker says, 'Oh yeah, well you're just stupid.'

Hasbinbad says XYZ are true because of his ABC opinions.-- (Can not separate evidence from opinion) --

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scientists have trust or confidence in the scientific method because of its repeated history of solving problems or questions. There is much evidence to support this with hundreds or thousands of years of testable data.

Without empirical results, this trust in the scientific method (inclusive of peer review) rather than trust in individual scientists, is synonymous with faith, and is a crutch used by all scientists to actually get work done instead of going around and testing everything empirically themselves, which no scientist has the time or funding to do.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without empirical results, this trust in the scientific method (inclusive of peer review) rather than trust in individual scientists, is synonymous with faith, and is a crutch used by all scientists to actually get work done instead of going around and testing everything empirically themselves, which no scientist has the time or funding to do.

Trust isnt faith, the definitions of rudimentary words escape you. You can say they are the same as much as you want however, you will be wrong, as usual. Trust can be synonymous with confidence however, which is why science generally develops tests within confidence intervals, ex 5 sigma.