So your guns keep you safe?

[leezard]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone hunting wild hogs with a .22 mag has a lot more balls than I do. Make sure your buddy with the big gun is near so you can hide behind him when you screw up and piss off the wrong pig.

Just sayin~

I agree lol. If I was to hunt them, I would use a shotgun, or maybe a 380.

And Hailto, I did not expect you to know this. I also did not think we were talking about hunting so I did not elaborate.

As for the teen angst virgin, sorry trapping feral pigs upsets you. If you understood life outside your classroom, perhaps you would understand why it is done. For what it is worth, I abhor "deer hunting". Feeding a deer for a year, then shooting it is butchering, not hunting.

[Raavak]

The guys I know who have hunted feral pigs were using like 357 magnums and 44 magnums, and still have stories of being chased by the mean suckers if they only wounded them.

[Humerox]

You guys are probably not in disagreement in principle...seems like you're just talking about different things. Trapping and killing feral pigs is srs biz.

Feral Hogs. Using a .22 mag on 'em is probably pretty efficient for that I'd imagine.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care what anyone says...Australia had 11 mass gun slayings in the decade before they implemented strict gun-control, and 0...count them...0 since.

REAL gun laws are required, not just jokes that are ineffective. We need to look at Australia's policy pretty hard. I'm a firm second-amendment believer, but I don't think our right extends to semi-automatic handguns or assault rifles. They make mass killing easy and efficient...and we as civilians need them as much as we do bazookas and tanks.

This stuff about Australia is a joke. You read a website and 'trust' what they say without fact. Mass killings still happen in Australia and crazy people are still crazy with or without guns. (Childers Fire / Monash Shooting / Melbourne killings / Snowtown / etc.). I don't care to own a semi-automatic weapon but it won't solve the problem. Handguns are involved in about 20 times as many murders than rifles are. My problem is that when we ban assault weapons, it won't solve the problem, then they will want your handguns. All the time, the real problem is that some people are just fucking crazy or snap. If they can't kill someone with a gun, then they will do what Timothy McVeigh did and make a bomb, or just run people down with their car, etc. The tool the crazy person uses to be crazy isn't the problem.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're concerned about repelling a tyrannical dictator that would decide to send the most powerful military in history against you...well, the opportunity for civilians in America to be able to defend against that is ancient history.

The point of having a people with arms is that the largest standing army in the country will be the free people and not the military. If an entire populace, freely armed, did want to rebel or overthrow tyranny, it would be possible even if the government has more firepower. I realize you will come back with 'well they will just nuke them' or use drones' etc. I get it and still believe that a population, freely armed would persevere. (Especially when the 'army' you are against is made up of the people that are rebelling, very few in the armed forces would execute against American citizens in this situation).

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This stuff about Australia is a joke. You read a website and 'trust' what they say without fact. Mass killings still happen in Australia and crazy people are still crazy with or without guns. (Childers Fire / Monash Shooting / Melbourne killings / Snowtown / etc.). I don't care to own a semi-automatic weapon but it won't solve the problem. Handguns are involved in about 20 times as many murders than rifles are. My problem is that when we ban assault weapons, it won't solve the problem, then they will want your handguns. All the time, the real problem is that some people are just fucking crazy or snap. If they can't kill someone with a gun, then they will do what Timothy McVeigh did and make a bomb, or just run people down with their car, etc. The tool the crazy person uses to be crazy isn't the problem.


The point of having a people with arms is that the largest standing army in the country will be the free people and not the military. If an entire populace, freely armed, did want to rebel or overthrow tyranny, it would be possible even if the government has more firepower. I realize you will come back with 'well they will just nuke them' or use drones' etc. I get it and still believe that a population, freely armed would persevere. (Especially when the 'army' you are against is made up of the people that are rebelling, very few in the armed forces would execute against American citizens in this situation).

Having lived in Australia (I drove road trains there for a while), I beg to differ. But maybe Rueters can help with this.

As a veteran of the US Army I can say two things:

1) We will never have to worry about our armed services killing the populace.
2) If I were proven wrong - although I would love to believe what you said is true - civilians wouldn't stand a chance. Red Dawn is Hollywood.

[Humerox]

Oh...and let's take the Monash Shooting for an example.

Read the wiki on it. He killed 2 students and wounded 5 others. He had a crapload of handguns, no doubt. But read a bit.

When Xiang stopped shooting and moved to switch weapons, Lee Gordon-Brown, the injured lecturer, grabbed Xiang's hands as he reached into his jacket. Gordon-Brown and a student in the room, Alastair Boast, a trained wing chun practitioner, tackled him.

Now consider this. Had Xiang been armed with semi-automatic handguns and assault rifles...what do you think would have happened? We don't really know, but it's probably true that he wouldn't have been stopped, and the 2 dead would have been at least 7.

I'm not a crazed anti-gun advocate. I really believe if we do it right and not half-assed...we can stop mass killing in this country. Will we stop gun violence or gun deaths? Hell, no. But if we can save one innocent from a senseless mass killing it's our duty to try. Those kids in CT should be celebrating Christmas this year instead of lying in the ground because of fanatical pro-gun advocacy. We can HAVE guns...just get rid of the ones we don't need.

[Goofier]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red Dawn is Hollywood.

So was Revolution.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So was Revolution.

Sly, and averting the point...but we both know Hollywood can address both fact and fiction. You know what I was saying. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Goofier]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sly, and averting the point...but we both know Hollywood can address both fact and fiction. You know what I was saying. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a sort of truth to it, though, and very much of a comparison. Just not entirely worth anything at the moment.

[Hitchens]

If the battle is between a bunch of grabass rednecks with retail shotguns and a drone, my money will be on the drone.