My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[Aadill]

This is a discussion that does indeed belong in the Guild Meeting and not on the forums. I will hopefully be attending next time as it is my goal to work with each guild and suss out a plan that is more appropriate for the makeup, mindset, and competitive natures of each guild than the current ruleset.

As it stands, this is an idea of one member from DA. There is no official statement attached to the intentions presented in this post. As we are all members of the concerned, we will be able to discuss this at a later time and more appropriate place that is convenient to the appropriate parties. It would be good to provide a forum for a serverwide discussion as there may be possible ideas that can be incorporated into a final plan. As of right now, there is not enough neutrality in this thread and therefore it has lost it's original intent.

The GMs are more focused on developing a fun game as a project. Having to police rules and break up arguments between members of raiding parties is not something that I imagine they enjoy. If we are to move forward with any proposals, then this needs to stop turning into an R&F thread.

[tsonka]

1. DA
2. Divinity
3. IB
4. Remedy

This seems like only half of the guilds that should be involved

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by tsonka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This seems like only half of the guilds that should be involved

Seems like you missed the part where I said

More can be added to the list easily.

All that matters is your tracker being there.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by tsonka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This seems like only half of the guilds that should be involved

I agree with you, Bayer. Beneath the smoke and mirrors, this thread is a thinly veiled attempt to present an elitist proposal as populist. If we create this rotation and include every capable guild, my estimate is not at all exaggerated--each guild will log in once every two or three weeks to kill the boss they won in the lottery.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just called me a jackass and told me to get off my high horse but somehow I'm the one being uncivil because I disagree? I don't like your guild's tactics and strategies. I don't like Nizzarr's ideas to fix the problems that he, by his own admission, helped to cause.

We don't need any fancy proposals and complicated rules to fix this situation. I can't express this any more clearly:

If Dark Ascension stops camping, the camping will stop.

You created the problem and now you're complaining and pretending to offer solutions. Really?

I'm not going to get this sent to R&F, so I'll keep this brief. If you noticed by my post, I disagree with the idea of a rotation also. It's not that you disagreed - it was that you used the issue to take a dig at DA - which isn't what this thread is for. This is not the venue to express that you apparently think everyone in DA is an inexperienced and sub-par player. That was why I said you sounded like a jackass.

[tsonka]

Originally Posted by randomer
7 or 8 guilds ?! who ? more like 4 ib,da,divinity,remedy

No, its just that there are only 4 guild willing to poopsock mobs. The rest of us feel that raiding is f**ked on this server and do not have the desire to camp mobs for days

[Uaellaen]

We are not camping a single one of those mobs ...

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we create this rotation and include every capable guild, my estimate is not at all exaggerated--each guild will log in once every two or three weeks to kill the boss they won in the lottery.

This is why I recommended my SK variant, emphasizing trackers and those willing to scout and do intel.

I'd like to see FFA/first to engage/no leapfrogging but there's a big split amongst the server it seems on that.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by tsonka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, its just that there are only 4 guild willing to poopsock mobs. The rest of us feel that raiding is f**ked on this server and do not have the desire to camp mobs for days

Dark Ascension is entirely responsible for this raid situation. I think I've seen Divinity camp two mobs, their first Vox kill and their first Nagafen kill. I've never seen Remedy camp a mob. Inglourious Basterds didn't start camping until DA had been camping spawns for two weeks. They were camping two zones at once and continuing to recruit every player who hit 46 including untagged IB alts. Not a single person in IB likes to camp.

If we're going to have this discussion about how to resolve the camping situation, I think it is extremely important for everyone to understand who is camping and why. I'm going to hammer on this point until every shred of doubt is gone:

If Dark Ascension stops camping, the camping will stop.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why I recommended my SK variant, emphasizing trackers and those willing to scout and do intel.

I'd like to see FFA/first to engage/no leapfrogging but there's a big split amongst the server it seems on that.

I think you have an interesting idea, but you might be missing a key piece of information. The development staff has made it clear that FFA is not an option.