My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[G13]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And by Vittra, you mean Bronson of course. You know the guy that had an oppurtunity to roll for the spawn and refused to do so which lead to the GM removing DA from zone.

I guess that's why you post anon, because you have no idea what you're talking about.

Why would Bronson roll for a spawn that was rightfully DA's? Vittra pulled. Vittra trained. Vittra wiped you. You cried to the GMs to get a mob handed to you. I don't remember IB having to roll for Vox the previous week when buggy goblin pathing wiped DA. You got first shot because of a pathing issue. DA complied. IB got first shot. You engaged Vox. You failed. Attempted to bind rush. Failed. DA rolled in and killed Vox. I guess it has something to do "mobilization skills" or something right?

DA loses a mob that was rightfully theirs because IB trained themselves with a noob monk and cried to the GMs to come bail them out. Nobody came here to the forums talking shit after that happened. They let it go, but you guys just can't keep your mouths shut can you? I'm not gonna sit here and stay silent when you guys come and troll up a thread and talk shit about people who have worked their asses off.

What really happened was you guys were fucking around while most of your guild was AFK and got yourselves killed. To save face, you tried to pin the blame on someone else. You lied to your officers and you lied to a GM. Congratulations on your elite skill Gwence, since it was you who was partly responsible for wiping your own guild. I don't blame the GM for having to make a decision. He did what he had to do since you and a few other IB were too pussy to admit you fucked up. Instead you lied to your officers and you lied to a GM.

Kind of funny how Bronson can pull while FD and AFK. Wait, Bronson "planted" the mobs on the east wall right? You have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

This was supposed to be a thread where people constructively talk about the current raiding situation here and find solutions. You, Alawen, and a handful of others have taken it upon yourselves to talk shit about DA instead. So either you are going to continue to be part of the problem or you can become the solution. It's your call. I commend Nizzarr for trying to find solutions. Maybe your guild needs to do the same instead of running your mouths.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Olorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Almost everyone is saying they dont want to quit -- solution is relatively simple, develop some anti-camping rules. Just off the top of my head, we could allow each guild to have a tracker or two in the zone -- beyond that, all members of a guild that are in a zone when a target pops are not eligible to be part of the "first in force count".

I am sure that the leaders of these guilds could polish this some (this is just off the top of my head) or even come up with a completely different idea that accomplishes the same thing.

If we don't want to camp, lets take away the advantage that camping gives you.

Like someone above stated

Nothing is stopping people from camping out in the zones instead.

[astarothel]

Multiple trackers is fine, if everyone agreed to go back to it.
The issue will be when both have X amount, and the race is on to engage, if both pull at the same time, etc. That mess will still be possible, and is what GMs will most definitely want to avoid. That's why I went with modding up a SK option. It only rewards those groups willing to invest the tracker or awareness to be involved. The limited amount of time after you call your suicide will make people think "hmmm, can I get enough people on, fast enough to do this? Or should I pass and risk someone else mobilizing fast enough"

[Olorin]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like someone above stated

Nothing is stopping people from camping out in the zones instead.

Camping out in the zone does not really give a decisive advantage with a +- 48 hour variance. It takes little enough time to gather at a portal and get ports. Camping in a zone (other than say sol b) increases your mobilization time for targets other than naggy.

If thats the strategy that a guild wants to employ, let them. Everyone can do this and its a helluva lot better than camping the zone and using up the badwidth doing nothing.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You misunderstand. I said "we do not care wtf you do" as long as we do not have to hear about it. I *personally* agree with a first to engage type ruleset. The current setup and operation of things do not allow for this. We want to make EQ, not mitigate your raids. You could all mutually agree to settle your disputes with PVP for all we care. You could impose a first to engage scenario on each other based on your own logs. The issue is whether or not it is brought to us. When you summon a guide or GM, expect results based on our server rules.

With 6ish raid targets and your huge guilds, I assume some degree of camping would still be happening. It amazes me that there are so few guilds for so many people. You could create competition with yourselves if you made new guilds.

We need a solution that makes sense. *GM-enforced* rotations make no sense to me. Player-made ones do, if that's what you want. GMs should be used for extraordinary circumstances but are presently being called for petty disputes over who gets what pixels.

Is there not a poet amongst you? Designate an ambassador and talk to your rival guild.

I think Nilbog and I are on the same page, but with a little deviation. I do think that having a rotation can, and most certainly will, decrease GM intervention drastically. Though I think with all the hate-spewing and some of the attitudes at high end raiding, a player-made and enforced rotation would see petty petitions and disputes at a higher rate than a GM enforced and GM/Player constructed agreement to a rotation, particularly when guild A feels it isn't being treated fairly by guild B. Guild A decides not to abide by player-made rules. Then neither does guild B, and you're essentially back to FFA and all the chaos that it may bring. A GM stamp of approval backed by a shiny hammer would prevent that.

12 hour variance allows for a 1 hour engagement on a mob (inny/CT/dragons), -- and perhaps the same on draco/maestro -- allows for mobilization techniques, lesser levels of camping, and active clearing.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Olorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping out in the zone does not really give a decisive advantage with a +- 48 hour variance. It takes little enough time to gather at a portal and get ports. Camping in a zone (other than say sol b) increases your mobilization time for targets other than naggy.

If thats the strategy that a guild wants to employ, let them. Everyone can do this and its a helluva lot better than camping the zone and using up the badwidth doing nothing.

You can just camp out in safe spots in each zone

There is no need to "gather". Anyone who claims "mobilization" is what we need either has an agenda or doesn't understand how the current raid zones are setup.

Let me give you an example. Camping in hate will save you money and port time. So what, is the guild that camps in WC at the wizard spire somehow better at killing the boss mob or something?

Another example - Perma. Camp out at the 2 door room. So what, is the guild that binds there instead or uses potion of the frost better at killing Vox now?

Fear - There are safe spots to camp out which are much more efficient than breaking in. So porting to Fearrot and doing a quick WW break makes you better at killing draco or CT or something?

You get the point. There needs to be a real solution so every guild can enjoy the content. Nobody talks about how there are other guilds capable of killing these mobs that don't get the chance because they don't want to poopsock. Using a druid to track and waking everyone else up at 3AM is still poopsocking. So instead of AFK your character is camped out. It's the same damn thing. People are trying to twist and pretezel semantics here to try and pin the blame on each other and it's childish. We need to look at the situation like adults and find a happy medium.

[eqdruid76]

You know what amuses me? How every single one of you think Sony killed EQ.

Sony didn't kill EQ. You idiots killed EQ.

Just read the shit you've typed here. None of you have good ideas. You THINK you have good ideas, and you think everyone should think you have good ideas. But they don't.

It doesn't work here because you people don't have the capacity to cooperate and make it work. It's someone else's fault. No one will admit any sort of blame, or accept responsibility for being in the wrong.

On the other hand, it's a game. A reversed engineered emulator of an 11 year old game. Why do you care so much? Aren't there a lot more important things in your lives to be nerdraging about? If the answer to that question is no, then.....holy shit, I am so sorry for you....

I'm disgusted by the attitudes and actions of a lot of players on P99, but I have to admit, the word "poopsock" makes me lol no matter how many times I read it. :P

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was supposed to be a thread where people constructively talk about the current raiding situation here and find solutions. You, Alawen, and a handful of others have taken it upon yourselves to talk shit about DA instead.

Actually the first person to even mention that incidence in poh was you. You criticize others for not adding constructively to a thread, then go and splooge all over it?

How's that hypocrisy hangin?

Nizzarr, Loke, and Aadill have kept it genial (like they always do, thanks gentlemen), but there's a bunch of acidspitters like yourself on DA's side too, ready and willing to drop trou, whip out their e-peen's and beat them off in IB's direction.

[Glitterati]

Originally Posted by Icecometus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I see a Tranny raid I will eat crow but its been at least a month since I saw any attempt at one.

Trans raided Hate tonight. So how do you like your crow, rare or well done?

[Erasong]

Originally Posted by eqdruid76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what amuses me? How every single one of you think Sony killed EQ.

Sony didn't kill EQ. You idiots killed EQ.

Just read the shit you've typed here. None of you have good ideas. You THINK you have good ideas, and you think everyone should think you have good ideas. But they don't.

It doesn't work here because you people don't have the capacity to cooperate and make it work. It's someone else's fault. No one will admit any sort of blame, or accept responsibility for being in the wrong.

On the other hand, it's a game. A reversed engineered emulator of an 11 year old game. Why do you care so much? Aren't there a lot more important things in your lives to be nerdraging about? If the answer to that question is no, then.....holy shit, I am so sorry for you....

I'm disgusted by the attitudes and actions of a lot of players on P99, but I have to admit, the word "poopsock" makes me lol no matter how many times I read it. :P

i hate almost all of your posts eqdruid.. minus this one. you have redeemed yourself sir!


On another note, I really like the suicide kings idea altho it does need more discussion.


Elaida, 50 Paladin and IB's nicest member [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]