My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[mitic]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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the irony lies within

every poster whining in all of those newly arised "raid-threads" would perfectly fit into the wow-universe

[sidgb]

Whatever you do, don't forget this clause:

Should a system be agreed upon by a select group of "elite" guilds that excludes any guild, alliance or PuG raid. The excluded raid groups are not bound by the rules agreed upon without their consent and may engage the target in any manner they deem necessary to force recognition of their clam.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by sidgb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whatever you do, don't forget this clause:

Should a system be agreed upon by a select group of "elite" guilds that excludes any guild, alliance or PuG raid. The excluded raid groups are not bound by the rules agreed upon without their consent and may engage the target in any manner they deem necessary to force recognition of their clam.

Basically you'd revert to server rules in that case - claim a mob with 15 people, no training, no KSing.

[Thac0]

So much tears over items that you gon replace as soon as Kunark drops..

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Thac0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much tears over items that you gon replace as soon as Kunark drops..

The point of these rules are not only to diffuse the situation as it stands now but lay down a network for the entire server population that goes beyond "what Guild X wants."

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically you'd revert to server rules in that case - claim a mob with 15 people, no training, no KSing.

If server rules force other raids to meet a higher bar for content access ... then no.

They participate in the same ruleset or are governed by no ruleset.

[Aadill]

Then the only claim they will have is not to be KSd.

I'm not saying a guild will leapfrog, but I'm also not saying they won't. The rules are out the door on both ends if you don't comply. Being a renegade doesn't mean you just get to do what you want, it means no one else will respect you. Maybe they'll envy you a little bit but in the end you're still on your own.

[sidgb]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then the only claim they will have is not to be KSd.

I'm not saying a guild will leapfrog, but I'm also not saying they won't. The rules are out the door on both ends if you don't comply. Being a renegade doesn't mean you just get to do what you want, it means no one else will respect you. Maybe they'll envy you a little bit but in the end you're still on your own.

It's not about being a renegade or losing respect. Does anyone respect a whipped dog that cowers on command? If an oligarchy of elite guilds sets up a system to exclude and or limit competition from outside their circle they are already showing disrespect and forcing those excluded to adopt other means.

If those excluded are KS'ed or leapfrogged it only confirms the ill will of the origonal pact.

[Molitoth]

SOE sat on this for awhile with the same problems and you know what solution they eventually came up with?

Instancing.

I know, I know, instancing is for pussies.

But it does solve the problem.

Pick your poison. Solution or no solution.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by sidgb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not about being a renegade or losing respect. Does anyone respect a whipped dog that cowers on command? If an oligarchy of elite guilds sets up a system to exclude and or limit competition from outside their circle they are already showing disrespect and forcing those excluded to adopt other means.

If those excluded are KS'ed or leapfrogged it only confirms the ill will of the origonal pact.

You get what you give and give what you get. Reciprocity is a bitch. Live by it, die by it.