My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[Drat]

Originally Posted by Xzerion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'll start be reiterating what Alawen said, if DA stops camping, IB WILL stop camping as well. We have a guild full of people who want to raid, and if we didn't camp, we wouldn't be raiding at all ever right now because of what was started. Nobody in IB wants to camp, we didn't start this, so if people want it to end under the current rule set, then it is easy for that to happen. We all know it won't though.

For someone to say that IB isn't interested in trying to work anything out or try to get along is flat out wrong. I have never ignored or blown off anyone wanting to come and talk to me about anything here. IB openly went to the guild meetings to try and improve upon the server rules to clear out some gray area so raiding was a more enjoyable, fair, and consistent experience for everyone. We made several compromises from what we wanted to happen for the betterment of the server's end game and the spirit of working together. In the end, every guild agreed to the policies that were posted and agreed it was fairest solution to every guild/pug that wanted to raid. We also agreed to make a concerted effort to take the griefing out of the game with each other and continue to have meetings to continue to develop our rules as well as discuss any problems we are having with each other.

At the most recent guild meeting I had proposed a couple deterrents I had thought of to camping. Without naming names, we were told that camping was their way of competing with IB's mobilization and that camp deterrents were not going to be agreed to (at least the ones I presented, which I will go over below). DA made it clear camping is the system that works for them and were not interested in changing it. The general attitude that everyone minus DA took from the meeting is that camping was going to continue and that if something were to be changed it would need to be GM enforced. Every other guild in that meeting agreed camping was a problem we wanted to work on getting fixed.

Right now there are multiple messages coming from different DA officers. This past weekend DA proposed a rotation between IB and DA with the agreement that other guilds were still free to engage the target and if it was say DA's mob and remedy killed it then the next week it would be IB's uncontested from DA. Basically it was a rotation to stay out of each others way and just share spawns each week. The terms from what I understood was it was to go in until sky. DA also made it clear they want to get along with IB, which I thought was great, and I made it clear that regardless I would like to continue to communicate in an effort to make things better. Two things we did not like was the non-involvement of the other guilds who had helped to develop the existing rules and the fact that it was a very temporary solution, which kills competition basically, I never gave a definite no but I did not say yes either. 3 days later I'm told that a written proposal was sent to all the guilds for a rotation except for IB, so any semblance of consistency or any effort to get along, seems out the window based on that. And now today, another DA officer is talking about something else different and several officers I have talked share different opinions on it all. You guys need to get together and decide what you collectively want and stick to it, its the only way anything is going to move forward. Once that happens come talk to me and lets figure this out.



Xzerion

[Alawen Everywhere]

Here is what we have learned from DA in this thread:

Camping is bad and must be stopped as soon as possible.
Camping is good and it's the best way for DA to get the mobs they deserve.

Camping is exactly the same as scouting, mobilizing and racing.

DA wants what is best for the server.
DA wants what is best for DA.

There's nothing wrong with being unemployed. Some people in DA are unemployed.
Being unemployed is bad. Unemployed people should be ridiculed.

IB is uncivil.
It is not uncivil to make personal attacks or curse at IB.

DA killing things with twice the necessary numbers is not a zerg.
IB killing things with twice the necessary numbers is a zerg.

It is unacceptable for IB to talk shit about DA.
It is perfectly acceptable for DA to talk shit about IB.

Did I miss anything? I learned a few similar things from another source that I'd like to add to these truths:

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is what we have learned from DA in this thread:

Camping is bad and must be stopped as soon as possible.
Camping is good and it's the best way for DA to get the mobs they deserve.

Camping is exactly the same as scouting, mobilizing and racing.

DA wants what is best for the server.
DA wants what is best for DA.

There's nothing wrong with being unemployed. Some people in DA are unemployed.
Being unemployed is bad. Unemployed people should be ridiculed.

IB is uncivil.
It is not uncivil to make personal attacks or curse at IB.

DA killing things with twice the necessary numbers is not a zerg.
IB killing things with twice the necessary numbers is a zerg.

It is unacceptable for IB to talk shit about DA.
It is perfectly acceptable for DA to talk shit about IB.

Did I miss anything? I learned a few similar things from another source that I'd like to add to these truths:

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

shit guys, people within the same guild have varying opinions! god forbid!!

stop fishing for bites.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Notice IB derails the thread trying to play a gotcha game to common sense and logic

For the last time, a game of mobilization has been being played. It's just happening before the mob spawns, not after. There are rules put in place to limit training, kill stealing, ect. called timers and having a set amount of people to claim a spawn. What is the difference between mobilizing before and after a mob spawns? Someone care to clarify?

DA didn't make these rules. DA nor FB was there when these rules were created. They are playing by the rules this server has set forth. Understandably there are people who don't like playing Everquest this way. It's a pretty hardcore grind. So Nizzarr has made a proposal for ideas to change them, keep it competitive, but not complete anarchy.

So either people want to come up with real solutions, or IB can continue to whine and bitch and talk shit about DA. If it was up to me, I'd just let Alawen continue to bitch and complain and the 3 remaining guilds that actually want to discuss ideas civilly can do so. They don't need IB's approval for anything. IB doesn't run the server. Nilbog does, and has asked the community to try and come up with a reasonable raiding environment on the server. He is encouraging civil discussion on the matter. I suggest DA, Divinity, and Remedy get together and try and find a reasonable solution. Obviously IB is having none of it.

oh ya? http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8150

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shit guys, people within the same guild have varying opinions! god forbid!!

stop fishing for bites.

Your propaganda failed. I think the dracoliche window opened about half an hour ago, don't you have something to go camp? Oh, never mind. You've already been sitting there for twenty-four hours.

[Cyrano]

Does G13 think he's turning a Jedi Mind trick? He's cute.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not an officer and I don't speak for my guild

I know page one was a long time ago, so maybe it's time to restate that. Xzerion is the leader of Inglourious Basterds. He speaks for us. He expressed hopeful optimism in this thread.

All of my posts have been focused on pointing out the simple solution to Nizzarr's imaginary problem, with the exception of the last few pages which are obviously just silly.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

potential 96 hours compared to a few minutes time to mobilize...



FB was invited, but did not show. Not our fault.

So it takes one guild to a few minutes to prepare way in advance for a mob. You still need to do the exact same mobilization. One guild is just taking the initiative. They prefer to be prepared in advance, instead of scrambling after the fact. What's the difference? I would rather prepare in advance instead of scrambling after the mob spawns.

FB was invited, but did not show. Not our fault.

Nobody said it was anyone's fault but these are your rules. Why is DA being blamed for playing by your rules? They want the mobs bad enough. The rules are there. They are complying by said rules and getting their mobs.

[Tibador]

Seriously Alawen if you don't know by now as your one of them, people in every guild will not have the same opinion as the leadership so saying DA said this or IB member said that does not mean anything, unless it comes from the leadership its just trash and does not represent the guild.

So stop baiting people you know as well as i do the majority of dumb ass's posting here are just trolls that think they are important and they don't represent there guilds they just have big mouths.

And Yes Cyrano i was saying make a Special Meeting not the one you guys do once a month but i guess i am not in the know these days ...

[G13]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh ya? http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8150

Fish Bait was NOT at the guild meeting when these rules were determined. That's a fact.

Obviously you were still a noob in Crushbone when that took place and are just trolling up this thread, since you have sour grapes for getting booted out of DA for being an elitist douchebag who couldn't keep his mouth shut and treated people like shit over Ishiva robes of all things.