My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[Taluvill]

Felt like fixing this post up a tad. A lot of it is actually funny imo haha. But its like your writing the history of the world for north korean kids. Definitely through kimmy whatshiscrazynut's eyes.

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. Transcendence emerges! Hey we want phat loots too zomg. Not enough skilled player base, Trans adapts with a looser recruitment policy.

Sorry, took offense to this. Its not that there wasn't enough of a skilled playerbase in trans -- although eq isnt really set up for this because its much easier now than it ever was, I'd take the top ten trans guys against anyone any day of the week. Im sure a lot of them would as well. It's NOT that they arent or werent skilled enough to play this game at anyones level. Or "your level" for that matter. Just the fact that teenagers grow up, and most of trans core has families and big time jobs and such.

Can't live in mom's basement forever and escape the deep, dark clutches of the shitfuck economy forever. Sometime people have to work harder to keep themselves afloat and RL can be more important that a dragon to some...

4. Trans leadership: Hey we gotta get rotation going otherwise we'll never get a phat loot to drop. GM brought in and made to understand that it's the fairest way to deal with the situation. None of this is made aware to IB.

5. IB gets blind sided in Sol B on Nagafen. GM sets precedent of 14 day ban if we don't GTFO out of Sol B, enforced GM rotation up in place between 2 guilds.

6. Trans is happy. They don't need to work for mobs, mobs being breast fed to them.

Wenai came up with the rotation all by his merry self. Popped in and did it that night. You guys didn't get blindsided. You knew shit would fall. We camped it, and you guys said ohh fuck no you dont. "Sitting 14 hours actually active at a spawn is too much for us!" and You came in and threw a shitfest and decided if its not your way -- well fuckem. I can get you the quote from Otto saying that training was going to happen if you'd really like it.

10. PR War begins... IB=immature,unemployed,hackers,GMfavored etc.. Trans=Unskilled,unemployed,whiners,liars,GMfavored etc... Div=we are not IB or Trans so we must be the good guys.

Haha funny. Cause thats how it actually was. hah

12. Gothic Circle emerges! The guild that broke the rotation's back... Nizzarr working hard to find solution to remove rotations.

Div broke the rotation by taking a naggy spawn. Had absolutely nothing to do with GC. Dunno where you got that from.


14. IB once again emerges on top, how dare they those basterds!

15. Trans officially stops the "we're better than you" trash talk to "dude this shit is 10 years old" to "what about the little guy?? Don't be greedy! Go back to rotation!

Just Supreme. Don't lump everyone with what he said...

16. Douchebags from both IB and Trans being kicked out during the era known as the Troll wars...

Hah. Just wanted to give a shout out to Myth and Hasbinbad!

20. My break time! RL finally catches up even to the "unemployed,living at mom's basement,slob". Gone for a few months, no one cares /cry

The whole life thing? trans members do it everyday. sucks you had to take a few months out of yours to do something for the world.

22. DA R&D people hard at work to figure out how to beat genuine mobilization... tired of losing mobs to those a-holes from IB. Suddenly someone from DA (Salty?) has an epiphany. Let's just camp at the spot! Must recruit zerg force in order to maintain multiple camping targets.

It's not genuine mobilization when the spawn was broken. everything was spawning at the exact same time after the variance opened, it was really dumb. IB knew all about it, at least prolly 1/3 of the way through it? so they mobilized for a little bit, but not forever.

It sucks when you don't know the exact time that maestro is going to spawn.

25. IB Full retard vs DA Full retard = IB still wins for the most part with a lot less people we might add.

Oh please. stfu. Its about half and half with the guild that goes after vox getting less targets per week. Give me a break, but good try to put everyone down but yourself.

28. PR Spin machine going up! Proposal post comes up, to find a solution for the betterment of the whole server (We got everyone's interest at heart card) *wink wink*

29. Much trolling ensues on "constructive" thread to figure out the best way to shift momentum back to DA.

Well, this Idea Nizzar attempted to bring up was just a good idea for the good of the server. Why was it shot down???

Because its not in the best interests of IB. The ENTIRE reason it was shot down was that. I dont see Div/Remedy whining about this proposal in here. Just a lot of you shitting up a perfectly good thread. It's like its a nice day, and we started to go golfing, but then this big storm cloud with IB shaped lightning bolts starts raining on everything.

Oh well.

2nd to last thing, whoever said 7-8 raiding guilds can kill bosses... Your sadly, sadly mistaken. Probably like 5, if Trans could necro a LOT of members to kill stuff. Fix the info. Everyone over exaggerates how many raiding guilds there really are.

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Sorry, I really shouldn't have posted the trolling section but just couldn't resist at all the fake PR spin going on here. Like I said, Dumesh I hope you make another thread for your proposal... The original 4 points is my contribution to your post.

PS: It's 5am! Ignore grammar/spelling for all you internet grammar warriors!~

Yep. This ftw. /endthread

We need to just give Dumesh's idea a constructive place to grow and change and adapt... Like its own thread!!! Yeah! Guys, lets do it!

Just dont shit it up this time around. kthxbai

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Biotodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taluvill - Half Elf Druid of Tunare - Main.
#1 Druid on P1999.


That's the funniest thing ever you can't begin to compare to any of the ddruids in IB ......

Lets prove it then. Rogean said hes holding botb for classic, kunark, and velious.

[Biotodd]

Oh we will you and Crackheadzilla on my list

[Sslaesha]

Originally Posted by Raren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol u still cant figure out how to post a SS? i thought IB recruited smarter ppl lol

Raren said ''smart'' LOLOLOL

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just Supreme. Don't lump everyone with what he said...

Some people may find this hard to believe but by having a rotation you are not "feeding spawns" to anyone. You just have to set up rules that govern how the rotation would work. Give guilds a "window" of opportunity on a random timer to get the spawn and perhaps make the spawn time shorter to accommodate the guilds.

Make the window 12 hours...so when guilds know it is their "turn" they can start preparing and be aware that the mob will spawn and they have a limited time to have "their turn".

We are not doing anything ground breaking here guys....

[Supreme]

Oh and when i had originally spoke about rotation it was for the benefit of everyone. Because i know that alot of us have grown up and moved on. We are here to only relive the content.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Biotodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh we will you and Crackheadzilla on my list

Cool. Can't wait. Ima smash you up like its super street fighters II turbo! for the 3DO.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people may find this hard to believe but by having a rotation you are not "feeding spawns" to anyone. You just have to set up rules that govern how the rotation would work. Give guilds a "window" of opportunity on a random timer to get the spawn and perhaps make the spawn time shorter to accommodate the guilds.

Make the window 12 hours...so when guilds know it is their "turn" they can start preparing and be aware that the mob will spawn and they have a limited time to have "their turn".

We are not doing anything ground breaking here guys....

That was essentially Nizzar's idea...

[Taluvill]

And the reason i said it like that is that that form of a rotation sounds pretty ok to me, at least until kunark.

[astarothel]

Fuck y'all.

I manage to beat insomnia and sleep for a whopping total of three hours.
Come back to 9 more pages of dickwaving, circlejerking and this thread in RnF.

Evolution within the thread from either IB or DA towards any possible solution since page 5: none.

DA leadership needs to get their ducks in line and decide if they are even -willing- to stop camping. That is a prerequisite to any sort of resolution to the camping sausagefest. Some officers of theirs want it to stop, while others seem to hint towards it continuing indefinitely.

IB, DA (and I am not sure if any other guilds) agreed to /rolling and a quasi-rotation on site when two or more campfests are present at a raid target pop. This is definitely a place to work forward from.

A straight rotation will not be received well by the vast majority of the raiding community that believes there must be a positive correlation between effort invested and its return.

FFA/first to engage has problems because an online community will never trust each other and no matter how many draconian measures are enforced by GMs people will still try and fuck each other over for pixels.

GMs want hands off as much as possible so any solution must be optimized towards this. Community reinforced correction here has failed and leads to more partisan polarization. All the "IB/DA/random person/random guild fucked us over OMG GMs ban them" shit has failed. GMs simply can't control asshattery of our community's magnitude. Just look at how few actual bans get handed out because of the sheer quantity of bullshit that is happening (not a slam at the GMs btw <3). Individually many of us here are great, but collectively we're completely self-interested fuckers. Any solution will have to bear this in mind.

I am tired, I am grumpy, and I am sick of all this bullshit.
I apologize in advance to anyone that has the misfortune of dealing with me in game in any capacity tomorrow. I will not be a happy camper.