I hate this perma-camping shit

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps, Taxi, you missed key phrases such as "I think" and "it seems". My speculation was presented as a counterpoint to Supreme's speculation. Supreme's speculation was presented as a point of fact, which it is clearly not. None of us know why Nizzarr is doing what he's doing except Nizzarr.

I do understand the meanings of words and I tend to choose them carefully.

Yea so youre positive 80 or 90% that Nizzar quit after suggesting rulesets because he was like lol, my evil plan has been unleashed, now let them simmer in their juices for a couple of months, and then for the finale, the masterstroke, , the finish him, CAMP ROTATE! MUH HA HA!!! Theyll never recover from this crippling blow.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea so youre positive 80 or 90% that Nizzar quit after suggesting rulesets because he was like lol, my evil plan has been unleashed, now let them simmer in their juices for a couple of months, and then for the finale, the masterstroke, , the finish him, CAMP ROTATE! MUH HA HA!!! Theyll never recover from this crippling blow.

No, of course I'm not positive, which is why I explicitly included phrases like "I think" and "it seems".

Unlike me, you seem to be using the word "positive" loosely. Positive means admitting of no question. Your phrase "positive 80 or 90%" (clumsy, nearly illiterate) is similar to a phrase like "a little bit pregnant". These are boolean conditions. One is either positive or one is unsure. My facts were stated as facts and my thoughts were stated as thoughts.

No, I don't particularly envision Nizzarr as an evil Dick Cheney figure dismantling regulations for fun and profit. As I stated, I don't think he has much vested interest in either his new guild or this server. Nizzarr was in uber guilds on live and I suspect that he couldn't really care less about much of this except the ire he feels toward his former guildmates.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, of course I'm not positive, which is why I explicitly included phrases like "I think" and "it seems".

Unlike me, you seem to be using the word "positive" loosely. Positive means admitting of no question. Your phrase "positive 80 or 90%" (clumsy, nearly illiterate) is similar to a phrase like "a little bit pregnant". These are boolean conditions. One is either positive or one is unsure. My facts were stated as facts and my thoughts were stated as thoughts.

No, I don't particularly envision Nizzarr as an evil Dick Cheney figure dismantling regulations for fun and profit. As I stated, I don't think he has much vested interest in either his new guild or this server. Nizzarr was in uber guilds on live and I suspect that he couldn't really care less about much of this except the ire he feels toward his former guildmates.

Well youre positive enough to make accusations. So its ok if i say "I think" and "it seems" that George Bush was directly responsible for planes flying into the WTC? Cuz... it sure looks like it! I think!

See, now were getting somewhere in this R&F thread.

[Aadill]

Alawen:

Nizzarr made a post on the forums about a possible idea that I believe does not wholly represent the beliefs of Dark Ascension, Remedy, Divinity, or Inglourious Basterds. I'd like to invite you to at least acknowledge the fact that because of the thread, other ideas have been passed around in attempt to at least come up with some alternatives to the current ruleset.

There is no combination of words that disguises the reasoning for a particular vote. To make the assumption of these intentions, however, is to place bias in your argument. We, as a community, will never be able to scribe out a ruleset that works for everyone due to this bias. Obviously the next best choice is to benefit as many people that are affected as possible. With the current raid scene, DA and IB are the only ones affected. Other guilds are certainly interested in raiding but the utilization of the current ruleset has pushed out any other participants. I do understand your concern about rotations. Your point is well taken with things such as VP and ST. This is why all of this needs to be discussed.

Some ideas about FFA has been passed around. Other ideas such as Suicide Kings and a soft rotation have also been thrown about. Something like SK offers a rotation to those who mobilize, but still contributes to the problem that you are concerned with. Perhaps it is not as bad as you think, or it is worse than I think.

With the current ruleset we do see some level of competition. It is not the same type, but the rules in place were decided by the players. The "loophole" you keep talking about is, if I'm not mistaken, a post by a GM saying that "if you want to camp your guild out for days on end, go right ahead [you crazy f**ks]". To expound on that: If you are willing to camp, you will receive a reward, assuming you mobilize first, maintain a presence, and do not fail at the encounter. If you choose to go after certain mobs, you understand the risk of losing others. That's the beauty of the variance system. Thus far, IB received Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen; DA received Innoruuk, Maestro, dracoliche, Cazic Thule. Last week it was just the opposite, and Divinity took down Maestro due to a dispute between DA and IB. In all of this, there were choices that were made about which mobs to camp. Is this your idea of classic EQ competition? Perhaps not. Is camping fun? There seems to be a majority vote towards no. The current ruleset does force you to make decisions as to what is best for your guild. I consider that a challenge. Perhaps it is not the best solution, but unless we actually sit down and figure it out, it's going to remain as it is.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well youre positive enough to make accusations. So its ok if i say "I think" and "it seems" that George Bush was directly responsible for planes flying into the WTC? Cuz... it sure looks like it! I think!

See, now were getting somewhere in this R&F thread.

Yes, it is both grammatically correct and logically sound for you to speculate on conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. There are many bizarre details that make such speculation very interesting. Unfortunately, this sort of talk also tends to get one labeled as a crackpot.

Your implication with this metaphor, of course, is that I am a crackpot for not taking Nizzarr at his word that he only wants what's best for everyone. I have many reasons for believing that is untrue, including the fact that he's involved in wasting the staff's time with petitions to quibble over raid targets, as well as the thinly veiled elitism I see in his proposal.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it is both grammatically correct and logically sound for you to speculate on conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. There are many bizarre details that make such speculation very interesting. Unfortunately, this sort of talk also tends to get one labeled as a crackpot.

Sadly this is true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[2pair]

One of the main problems with this debate is there is no system besides the status quo that DA or IB will benefit from, and being that they are the main forces on this server it will be difficult to get anything done without either of them on the bandwagon.

We as Americans know the difference between the progressives and reactionaries so you have to look deep into your soul and ask yourself what you want to be: a component of change? Or be destined to wallow in the mire that you are creating?

The short sighted greed of the two major guilds on this server will cause the problems we face now to expand and grow until there are disputes between multiple guilds as to who exactly has control of whatever spawned. I mean what happens when a new guild emerges who has as much time on their hands as da/ib? what if two more incarnations came out? That means that there were 60 people in the zone from 4 different guilds and the monster spawns, who gets it?

There has to be a concrete system that comes out and the GM's just have to step in and say this is the way it is-- I'm all for democracy but when you have a bunch of squabbling bureaucrats with ulterior motives the community is the one who suffers.

At this point the major guilds are just filibustering for the present rules because in the current system provides them with whatever they want, whenever it spawns because other guilds are casual instead of wasting their lives waiting for dragons to spawn, but is that fair?


this was kinda ill conceived and im in a rush to get out the door but that's roughly my opinion

[Svampefarr]

Originally Posted by 2pair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the main problems with this debate is there is no system besides the status quo that DA or IB will benefit from, and being that they are the main forces on this server it will be difficult to get anything done without either of them on the bandwagon.

We as Americans know the difference between the progressives and reactionaries so you have to look deep into your soul and ask yourself what you want to be: a component of change? Or be destined to wallow in the mire that you are creating?

The short sighted greed of the two major guilds on this server will cause the problems we face now to expand and grow until there are disputes between multiple guilds as to who exactly has control of whatever spawned. I mean what happens when a new guild emerges who has as much time on their hands as da/ib? what if two more incarnations came out? That means that there were 60 people in the zone from 4 different guilds and the monster spawns, who gets it?

There has to be a concrete system that comes out and the GM's just have to step in and say this is the way it is-- I'm all for democracy but when you have a bunch of squabbling bureaucrats with ulterior motives the community is the one who suffers.

At this point the major guilds are just filibustering for the present rules because in the current system provides them with whatever they want, whenever it spawns because other guilds are casual instead of wasting their lives waiting for dragons to spawn, but is that fair?


this was kinda ill conceived and im in a rush to get out the door but that's roughly my opinion

In short, P99 is screwed and sinking fast. Atleast it's staying classic.

[girth]

Originally Posted by 2pair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point the major guilds are just filibustering for the present rules because in the current system provides them with whatever they want, whenever it spawns because other guilds are casual instead of wasting their lives waiting for dragons to spawn, but is that fair?

Maybe you missed the post/thread where Xzerion said he wants to change the rules away from camping, but the officers of DA cannot agree to something. Some want it to change, some know its the only way to get mobs for them.

[2pair]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe you missed the post/thread where Xzerion said he wants to change the rules away from camping, but the officers of DA cannot agree to something. Some want it to change, some know its the only way to get mobs for them.

no i didn't read any of this thread aside from the first page and don't really plan to-- but to quote south park xzerion is allowing DA "to have their cake, and eat it too." I don't mean to be saying he is specifically lying, but cornering the market in any venture is great for the company.