Forceful Entry wipes pathetically to CT on a Free anc Clear Engage with 45 people

[Tanthallas]

But thanks for getting my poor bard suspended for 'kiting' Fay while you had 5 people in the zone. There were 17 FE in zone when this 'kite' happened and there were 17 FE in zone that engaged Fay while your horde waited on the raft to zone in. I will be sure to repetition your Sev kite with the Fraps and all though.

If you think someone is kiting a mob, pull it off that person next time. Leave it to TMO to be complete fucking douchebags and petition for raid interference when they did not even have a raid force in the zone.

Learn to mobilize instead of petitioning imo.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think someone is kiting a mob, pull it off that person next time. Leave it to TMO to be complete fucking douchebags and petition for raid interference when they did not even have a raid force in the zone.

Learn to mobilize instead of petitioning imo.

GMs said not to take law into your own hands.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think someone is kiting a mob, pull it off that person next time. Leave it to TMO to be complete fucking douchebags and petition for raid interference when they did not even have a raid force in the zone.

Learn to mobilize instead of petitioning imo.

I was not present for Fay, but I just wanted to make a general comment on what has been the custom for outdoor dragons. Generally, numbers in a zone have not materially mattered so long as a good faith mobilization is underway. In the majority (Possibly all?) of cases that I am aware of, a directly pulled mob (no kite, straight point A to point B), has never arrived in camp before a reasonably sized raidforce was present.

Also, TMO specifically tends to shy away from peeling kited mobs. I cannot remember the last time we've done it (if ever, though it is very possible). This is due to, again, how the raid scene developed during the IB/TMO days. TMO has had far too many negative consequences when peeling mobs that are supposedly kited. This, in turn, is responsible for TMO's reliance on FRAPS and petitions in such scenarios.

For good or ill, those are the established customs.

[Godefroi]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was not present for Fay, but I just wanted to make a general comment on what has been the custom for outdoor dragons. Generally, numbers in a zone have not materially mattered so long as a good faith mobilization is underway. In the majority (Possibly all?) of cases that I am aware of, a directly pulled mob (no kite, straight point A to point B), has never arrived in camp before a reasonably sized raidforce was present.

Also, TMO specifically tends to shy away from peeling kited mobs. I cannot remember the last time we've done it (if ever, though it is very possible). This is due to, again, how the raid scene developed during the IB/TMO days. TMO has had far too many negative consequences when peeling mobs that are supposedly kited. This, in turn, is responsible for TMO's reliance on FRAPS and petitions in such scenarios.

For good or ill, those are the established customs.

You've got to be kidding, just even today on Draco we had a TMO bard try to snag it from our pull.

nice PR attempt though buddy.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've got to be kidding, just even today on Draco we had a TMO bard try to snag it from our pull.

nice PR attempt though buddy.

You were kiting again.. We got dem fraps.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were kiting again.. We got dem fraps.

yes usually you kite the zone and someone tags draco off of the kite...do you petition yourself everytime you do this as well?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes usually you kite the zone and someone tags draco off of the kite...do you petition yourself everytime you do this as well?

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

all sorts of scenarios could happen, but fact is you guys are complaining about kites where you did not have a raid force present, which should negate any petition you have. we pulled it as soon as it was feasibly possible today. Yet when your bard kites for 10m in ej it's because he's new and learning the zone? Come on man...

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

I hate it when you make sense. It's much easier to hate on people of mouthbreather squad when they don't make sense.

[Funkutron5000]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

It's always a pleasure to see you post, Xasten. You tend to go for informative and honest posting, which is surprising in RnF. It's always nice to see something other than "prove it", "no u" which is present from both TMO and FE.