Any Young-Earth Creationists?

[Ephirith]

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billions and billions of years of stellar evolution, anything is possible m8ies

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you want to keep the truth of reality out of public schools? So basically you support the dumbing down of people?

because I don't want to see my tax dollars wasted on teaching kids nonsense?

[Ravager]

Nevermind. I've been won over by the argument that things that we can't comprehend at first glance can only be explained by something even more incomprehensible.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you want to keep the truth of reality out of public schools? So basically you support the dumbing down of people?



If God created the physical universe then that means he is not a physical being himself and therefor isn't subject to the rules of the universe. Everything within the universe including the universe itself has a beginning and an end and as such, is a finite creation. God represents the infinite, the eternal, no beginning nor end. It's not a cop out at all, just logic really. Something had to of always existed otherwise there would only be nothing. We know this something isn't the universe because we know the universe had a beginning just like our planet and our sun had a beginning.

You're not arguing logically. You can't just say "god isn't bound by these rules because he is god", that IS a cop out and it has no place in logical discourse. You're essentially making an argument and then elevating your own position above everything else so it can't be questioned.

[Ravager]

That's because god created logic and therefore is not bound by its rules. Logically, god is illogical.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If God created the physical universe then that means he is not a physical being himself and therefor isn't subject to the rules of the universe. Everything within the universe including the universe itself has a beginning and an end and as such, is a finite creation. God represents the infinite, the eternal, no beginning nor end. It's not a cop out at all, just logic really. Something had to of always existed otherwise there would only be nothing. We know this something isn't the universe because we know the universe had a beginning just like our planet and our sun had a beginning.

Ok, so:

You: God created the universe.

Me: Who created God?

You: It doesn't matter, when you create the universe, you don't need to be created.

How the FUCK is that logical? That's nothing more than belief.

[OMGWTF420]

e-mc2 or whatever, the big bang happened because physic's demanded it happen. its science, not god. just because our minds cant grasp the concepts of life before the big bang yet does not mean there isnt an explanation. writing it off as some sort of god or supernatural being or something we cant understand is selling ourselves short imo

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you want to keep the truth of reality out of public schools? So basically you support the dumbing down of people?

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[Ravager]

Originally Posted by OMGWTF420 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

e-mc2 or whatever, the big bang happened because physic's demanded it happen. its science, not god. just because our minds cant grasp the concepts of life before the big bang yet does not mean there isnt an explanation. writing it off as some sort of god or supernatural being or something we cant understand is selling ourselves short imo

There is a god. Heather be thy name. Schwing!

[Ephirith]

You know what's silly, let's say the big bang happened:

At that instant, every action for the entire life of the universe was determined. With sufficient capacity to perceive and comprehend information, one could plot the future trajectory of a single particle, or every particle, from the moment of origination, into eternity.

You were always going to make the decisions you did, and a being with a godlike capacity for perception could have observed the universe billions of years ago, and seen an almost infinitely complex string of events and interactions creating, and leading up to, the specific conditions and characteristics of your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

Ladies and gentlemen, free will is empirically false, and if an infinitely capable God manipulated your life, chances are he did so at the instant of creation and then never again.

How does it feel knowing you do what you will, but you don't will what you will?