How exactly does the XP penalty effect the grp?

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Silo69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a great group will benefit more from a great hybrid player than being a douche and denying someone xp based on there class/race

its not that bad, you hardly notice it

i grouped with 2 sk's last night in a fully party

i was getting more xp per hour than when i was in a non hybrid group with more dps, i think we had cleaner pulls and solid tanks along with great cc, xp just kept flowing didnt notice much of any difference

Trying to make an efficient group is hardly "being a douche". If people want to spend their time xping as fast as possible, they are free to do so.

As someone who has played two hybrids into the 50's, I hated seeing groups pile up multiple hybrids and make some pathetic abortion of a comp where the experience moves backwards.

People who choose to play hybrids know damn well what they are getting into, and it's nobody else's duty to cater to them. I love having an sk/pal/ranger tank, but i'm sure as hell not doubling up on hybrid tanks past 50.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to make an efficient group is hardly "being a douche". If people want to spend their time xping as fast as possible, they are free to do so.

As someone who has played two hybrids into the 50's, I hated seeing groups pile up multiple hybrids and make some pathetic abortion of a comp where the experience moves backwards.

People who choose to play hybrids know damn well what they are getting into, and it's nobody else's duty to cater to them. I love having an sk/pal/ranger tank, but i'm sure as hell not doubling up on hybrid tanks past 50.

Check that calc above. Grouped with an equal-level ranger and troll shadow knight (for worst penalties) cost me (high elf enchanter) 2.5% more xp than grouping with an equal-level pair of human rogues when I filled out the rest of the group with cleric/warrior/rogue.

Hybrids make a negligible difference on the group xp in real terms.

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Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hybrids make a negligible difference on the group xp in real terms.

This^

Don't leave the hybrids sat at the zoneline LFG [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I quit my troll SK at 43 due to massive LFG time. Had more HP than most other hybrid tanks, the ability to taunt things straight off in the absence of any crowd control, an INT pool that meant I didn't have to med for 30-40 minutes of constant killing...

But no, take a second monk (most of which are lizards and come with a penalty)...take an average geared warrior (who isn't going to get hold of a group of mobs as quickly)... I wasn't mad... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Have since started up a dark elf SK to relive old times and reduce myself from 68% penalty to 40%, expecting the same bullshit though).

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Check that calc above. Grouped with an equal-level ranger and troll shadow knight (for worst penalties) cost me (high elf enchanter) 2.5% more xp than grouping with an equal-level pair of human rogues when I filled out the rest of the group with cleric/warrior/rogue.

Hybrids make a negligible difference on the group xp in real terms.

It's less about a hybrid costing more xp, and more about the group comp. Why would I want a shadowknight or paladin who does almost no dps, when my monk or warrior is mitigating damage just as well, and holding agro adequately, while ALSO putting out good dps.

Again, one of those classes is fine as a tank, but it's hard to justify adding a second one. DPS stacks, so all the classes that actually do dps stack with each other just fine to some extent (not dots)

You think I would want to duo with a paladin or shadow knight on my shaman when I could duo with a monk? It's worse in every single way -except- I can slow slightly sooner.

You may have been getting only 2.5% less xp per kill with the sk and ranger, but you would be killing dramatically faster with two rogues, or a ranger and rogue, or two rangers instead. I hate to sound like a namby pamby min/max weirdo because I love hybrids, but knights are deeply imbalanced imo.

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Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but knights are very broken imo.

This may be, but so are monks. They are entirely way too OP during this era of the timeline, which is why they get nerfd in the near future. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You may have been getting only 2.5% less xp per kill with the sk and ranger, but you would be killing dramatically faster with two rogues, or a ranger and rogue, or two rangers instead. I hate to sound like a namby pamby min/max weirdo because I love hybrids, but knights are deeply imbalanced imo.

I can't think of a group that would stack any tanks, knights or no. If anything, it's better to have warrior/sk/whatever than warrior/warrior/whatever, but I don't know any group in high levels that would actively choose that as a group.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think I would want to duo with a paladin or shadow knight on my shaman when I could duo with a monk? It's worse in every single way -except- I can slow slightly sooner.

For leveling I'd agree, but at 60 I'd rate the SK as at least equal to a Monk as a duo partner for a Shaman. The Monk's main advantage is in kill rate and that's vastly less important when experience per hour doesn't matter anymore. The SK can do several things that a Monk can do only with difficulty or not at all.

The Paladin, on the other hand, pretty much falls off a cliff at high levels. It's at the peak of its relative power during the 30's. It's my favorite class, but I tend not to play them past the low 50's.

Danth

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Check that calc above. Grouped with an equal-level ranger and troll shadow knight (for worst penalties) cost me (high elf enchanter) 2.5% more xp than grouping with an equal-level pair of human rogues when I filled out the rest of the group with cleric/warrior/rogue.

Hybrids make a negligible difference on the group xp in real terms.

Yeah if you are equal level. Try being in a 50 plus group as say a level 50 and have 2 Hybrids that are level 56 or so in it. Good luck with that. Hybrids suck Donkeyballs in a group sorry. But I am not saying I won't group with them. Any group is better than none. But it does suck. There is a reason Sony took it out into Velious.