Question about RZ

[Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was always my impression that RZ and SZ had the worst PvPers (in general), for various reasons.

Most RZ players had less experience with pvp because they were mostly an anti server (not that there's anything wrong with that!), and whenever pvp actually began they all started bagging gear instead of fighting.

SZ players just trained, from what I understand. Basically blue server pvp. Either that or high levels going after low levels, and evil team vastly outgearing the others. Kind of like here, Nihilum might have some really great pvpers, but they can't ever be recognized as such because of their gear advantage.

But I never understood the pissing contest anyway. You can't win an MMO, and each Zek server was awesome and unique in their own ways [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sullon Zek was the most hardcore pvp server because there were no pvp brackets and no rules. Its the best pvp experience because it fit the world of eq. You could be 15 in Oasis and get destroyed by a level 40 sand giant, or wander into the wrong town to be killed by guards instantly.

In a way though because you could be killed by a level 60, at any time, it caused the teams to really work together to help eachother to survive. Level 60s would actually come help out people leveling and protect zones and buff people to help their team.

Having three teams meant you had enemys and allies. Having allies when you start is important. It was almost like gang warfare and turf warfare, certian team groups would be in certian areas closer to their towns, it made the town you banked in matter.

IMO the main problem was splitting classes. From the begining good and neutral teams had the ranger and druid class and the evil team had necromacers and shadowknights.

SKs and Necros are arguably better in pvp then druid and ranger and definately better in pve so therefore evil thrived at pve and got the upper hand around kunark time.

[Faerie Blossom]

Originally Posted by Galacticus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sullon Zek was the most hardcore pvp server because there were no pvp brackets and no rules. Its the best pvp experience because it fit the world of eq. You could be 15 in Oasis and get destroyed by a level 40 sand giant, or wander into the wrong town to be killed by guards instantly.

In a way though because you could be killed by a level 60, at any time, it caused the teams to really work together to help eachother to survive. Level 60s would actually come help out people leveling and protect zones and buff people to help their team.

Having three teams meant you had enemys and allies. Having allies when you start is important. It was almost like gang warfare and turf warfare, certian team groups would be in certian areas closer to their towns, it made the town you banked in matter.

IMO the main problem was splitting classes. From the begining good and neutral teams had the ranger and druid class and the evil team had necromacers and shadowknights.

SKs and Necros are arguably better in pvp then druid and ranger and definately better in pve so therefore evil thrived at pve and got the upper hand around kunark time.

Wasn't SZ released during Velious? Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that everyone on SZ was blue because they attacked lower level people, and I definitely understand and respect the camaraderie that resulted from the hardcoded teams there. I'll be the first to admit that I'm biased, because I think of all 4 servers mine (VZ) had the fewest number of intentional trains and when too many NPCs get involved in a fight it just kind of becomes a FD/DA war. My best memories of live were group vs group or raid vs raid fights; and while some accidental training is unavoidable at times it just seemed sad and kind of blue that SZ's big raid battles generally turned into train wars.

Reading the Blue99 raid drama right now reminds me so much of reading the SZ drama, except the bluebies are a bit more polite :P

[compulsion]

Originally Posted by Jarlon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was a shaman, Karubi and never lost. Duel'd a couple people from forums that were considered the top Rangers on the server and never lost , even got begged for reduels until trueshot came up again just to win more. Remember one night out in HoH I was dueling everyone infront of a crowd of over 50 and didn't lose one all night, They were there to beat me cause of how much trash I was talking and still I didn't die once. And these were RZ's top PvPers of the era cause I was very vocal about Solusek Ro blue being better players than RZ red.

I don't think one person on these forums would consider EQ after SoL to be a better game in any way than classic, Kunark, or Velious. And as much as the game worse from a PvE standpoint, it was much much worse from a PvP standpoint. I can't imagine that the dedicated or talented PvP players, who were quitting in droves in the years prior to the period you mention, found a reason to come back and spend hundreds of hours gearing and thousands of hours filling up their AAs to secure HoH bragging rights.

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was always my impression that RZ and SZ had the worst PvPers (in general), for various reasons.

Most RZ players had less experience with pvp because they were mostly an anti server (not that there's anything wrong with that!), and whenever pvp actually began they all started bagging gear instead of fighting.

SZ players just trained, from what I understand. Basically blue server pvp. Either that or high levels going after low levels, and evil team vastly outgearing the others. Kind of like here, Nihilum might have some really great pvpers, but they can't ever be recognized as such because of their gear advantage.

But I never understood the pissing contest anyway. You can't win an MMO, and each Zek server was awesome and unique in their own ways [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RZ was great for small group stuff. Probably no better server if you enjoyed 2:1 or worse odds for your PvP, but raid size battles were non existent. SZ had plenty of trains yes, but as I said, for a while it got the most bloodthirsty and committed players on EQ onto a single server. If you died naked and got looted, there was no corpse and no rez. No one lost 30 levels of classic xp on any other Zek. No one got CC'd til their corpse and all their gear decayed on any other Zek. Every time we killed players on SZ we would have a gank group looking for binds and to catch naked players on CR.

More skilled players? No one can answer that. But SZ was by far the most intense and competitive PvP server of the era.

[Faerie Blossom]

Pretty off topic, but it always bothered me that SZ nametags had the blue/purple colors. I liked feeling special on VZ with my cool yellow name, and on RZ with my neat red/pink name :P

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was always my impression that RZ and SZ had the worst PvPers (in general), for various reasons.

Most RZ players had less experience with pvp because they were mostly an anti server (not that there's anything wrong with that!), and whenever pvp actually began they all started bagging gear instead of fighting.

That is not how RZ worked at all. Within half a day, if you had decided to go anti, you had a long list of guilds you could attack on sight because they were PKs.

So you did.

Crushbone and Gfay was pvp central, i could spend friday night pvping there all night, then log back in the next day at 3pm and people would still be fighting it out, it never stopped.

[Clark]

Wtb rz ruleset with blues population

[Faerie Blossom]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not how RZ worked at all. Within half a day, if you had decided to go anti, you had a long list of guilds you could attack on sight because they were PKs.

So you did.

Crushbone and Gfay was pvp central, i could spend friday night pvping there all night, then log back in the next day at 3pm and people would still be fighting it out, it never stopped.

Everyone loved CB PvP I'm sure (dark elves staying non-KoS to the orcs and nuking us from safety really added a pretty cool RP element to the whole CB theme), but OP was asking about high-end PvP. I had an alt on RZ, and it really seemed to me that the PKers there tended to stay in the low-middle level range to surprise people and loot their items. The top guilds on the server, as far back as I remember, were mostly anti with a few scuffles amongst themselves when things got a little too heated.

[SamwiseRed]

when i played rz, FoB was twink rogue city.