Change to Cani and CH

[SirAlvarex]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most likely these days if the group's dps is well geared, which by the 40's is often the case [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's when adds turn up or when the shit hits the fan that a shammie will struggle with no CC...slowing the mob is going to draw aggro, then its having to ghetto CC with root etc.

A standard group with a decent puller is a recipe for success... I just remember struggling with PoP content in terms of hard hitting mobs and having to main heal without CH, though torpor was a blessing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say any class that had to slow, heal, and CC would have trouble being OOM...I mean that's basically everything needed to trivialize an encounter.

Unless you're a Bard, then it's just you doing what you do.

[Droog007]

If you're running OOM casting slow, chances are you're casting it on mobs that are dying too fast to need it,

[contemptor]

Originally Posted by Auvdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey now us druids get a AC debuff with Vellious! Oh, and group Skin! And some junky heal.

And that little bear pet! Don't forget the bear pet!.... >_<

We are just over glourified PLers/Porters.. But hell, it makes great money [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: At least I think that junky chloroblast heal... That could be Luclin I dunno.

I think we immediately get Nature's touch in Velious for just under 1k... better than nothing.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman slow is WAY overrated because it takes a shit pot of mana to keep casting it. Between Haste and buffs a Shaman is always oom. There is a reason the devs gave them Canni. Solo well maybe, but in a group no way you can keep up with pull after pull slowing and healing etc.

Web is a nice guy but he is wrong here. . . turgurs is in the running for one of the single best spells in the game. Arguably if you had a class that could cast that 1 spell and do nothing else . . . well they wouldn't suck.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Web is a nice guy but he is wrong here. . . turgurs is in the running for one of the single best spells in the game. Arguably if you had a class that could cast that 1 spell and do nothing else . . . well they wouldn't suck.

This

[Splorf22]

You know I was going to make a list of the best spells in the game, but then I realized they were all enchanter/shaman spells [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Clerics get CH, Necros get FD, Mages get the epic pet, Wizards get Lures, Druids get nothing, and literally all the other good spells are enchanter or shaman.

[Kieu]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman slow is WAY overrated because it takes a shit pot of mana to keep casting it. Between Haste and buffs a Shaman is always oom. There is a reason the devs gave them Canni. Solo well maybe, but in a group no way you can keep up with pull after pull slowing and healing etc.

You realize there is a point to their haste being lower than a enchanters, and an enchanters slow being lower than a shamans? mk

Also, shamans do not heal in group at high levels, a cleric is a must.

[Calabee]

Also, shamans do not heal in group at high levels, a cleric is a must.

...?????? happens all the time.

Maybe not on high lvl RAIDS. (eeeh, actually torpor shaman is ALWAYS in main tank grp) but xp / farm grps? uh, yes.
Hell. i've tanked sebilis as a bard with necro heals

Not sure where ur coming from

[Done]

People neglect to realize how much slow trivializes encounters, apparently.

[SirAlvarex]

Originally Posted by Calabee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...?????? happens all the time.

Maybe not on high lvl RAIDS. (eeeh, actually torpor shaman is ALWAYS in main tank grp) but xp / farm grps? uh, yes.
Hell. i've tanked sebilis as a bard with necro heals

Not sure where ur coming from

With Necro heals? That's rough. I could see Shaman with Torpor. I've done groups where I was the defacto tank and that was the primary heal.

People neglect to realize how much slow trivializes encounters, apparently.

Seriously. 75% slow is so overpowered. Combine that with a chain-stunning class (Bard Mez for example) and mobs do absolutely no damage. Except for those magic immune ones, of course.