Canine Discipline.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so much stupid in this thread.

1) unless your dog is use to cats, its going to go after cats. you can not undo evolution. Spike eats Tom, Tom eats Jerry. tell people to keep cats out of your yard and get a "Beware of Dog" sign, for your yard.

2) Cats belong in the house, anyone that lets their cat run outside is a fucking idiot, and deserves whatever happens to their cat (be it a dog, or a car, or a racoon, or abduction, or even another cat since they fight each other ALL THE TIME).

This.

Anyone who truly loves their cats will keep them indoors. They tend to live 2-3 times longer this way, because cats do crazystupid things like this.

And don't think this makes me a cat hater. I love cats, and would probably choose a cat over a dog 9 days a week. But the whole socialization thing is a two-way street. I guarantee had the cat acted differently, it would probably be alive.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your drama. It's a sad situation all around. I hope it turns out alright. I would suggest the animals of both homes get to know each other in controlled settings. The more unfamiliar they are with each other, the more likely things like this will happen.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's nothing to reprimand. The dog wouldn't understand.

exactly it was just to late by the time i found out, any sort of discipline would have simply confused her because it was so far past the incident.

But I dont want to just let it happen so i came asking if there was something, I think besides starting a huge shitstorm here i got my answer.

We hooked up a lead outside so even if something comes into her territory she cant chase it indefinitely. its something at least

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

Anyone who truly loves their cats will keep them indoors. They tend to live 2-3 times longer this way, because cats do crazystupid things like this.

Exactly. Anyone who can't entertain the idea that a cat would go after a dog with claws drawn and tail puffed just for the dog wanting to say hi doesn't know cats.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're only nice dogs if they're white, yeah..

Pit Bulls and other domesticated "dogs" are a subspecies of Canis Lupus. (canis lupus familiaris)

Dogs respond like all animals (humans included) to their environment and react to various stimuli in the way they think best according to previous experiences from memory. If they are raised in a nurturing environment and taught well (just like humans), as they age they respond mostly by memory except in cases of extreme fear or pain in which they will act more by instinct (just like humans).

A dog is a dog. It's not fair to claim because they are involved in more 'crimes' that they are inherently different than another one of the same subspecies.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We hooked up a lead outside so even if something comes into her territory she cant chase it indefinitely. its something at least

Good solution. I do something similar with one of my cats. She really likes being outside so I stick her in a small dog kennel cage near the bird feeder for a few hours a day when the weather's nice. She lies there watching birds in a safe environment and no longer darts outside when the door opens. Keeps the pigeons away too.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pit Bulls and other domesticated "dogs" are a subspecies of Canis Lupus. (canis lupus familiaris)

Dogs respond like all animals (humans included) to their environment and react to various stimuli in the way they think best according to previous experiences from memory. If they are raised in a nurturing environment and taught well (just like humans), as they age they respond mostly by memory except in cases of extreme fear or pain in which they will act more by instinct (just like humans).

A dog is a dog. It's not fair to claim because they are involved in more 'crimes' that they are inherently different than another one of the same subspecies.

Truth. I also want to add that , and this is just my opinion, but a lot of the hype and legislation aimed at pit bulls and their owners is somewhat racist and or a class issue.
Similar to the marijuana and cocaine scares that were used to create a stigma about blacks and Mexicans in the earlier part of the last century.

I lived somewhere where if you owned a pit bull you had to pay permits, have special fencing and inspections (had to be buried at least 1 foot underground with a concrete slab and curved) and some other nonsense. All this to protect the "precious children" while they shuttle them off to McDonald's and stuff their faces with fries and nuggets and plop them down in front of the TV the rest of the day. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rhambuk]

Bad parents > Good pet owners...

[Lootmule]

Your dog needs more attention. You been posting more than alarti after a trakapoop. I would guess you post 500 times per day.

Unplug your ass and take a forum break and play with your dog.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every behavioral problem in a dog is due to the owner not doing his or her job and probably shouldn't have a dog. These animals were created by people to serve people, and they want to serve people. They just need to be told how.

This sounds like some shit out of the south about slaves.

Humanocentric trash.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pit Bulls and other domesticated "dogs" are a subspecies of Canis Lupus. (canis lupus familiaris)

Dogs respond like all animals (humans included) to their environment and react to various stimuli in the way they think best according to previous experiences from memory. If they are raised in a nurturing environment and taught well (just like humans), as they age they respond mostly by memory except in cases of extreme fear or pain in which they will act more by instinct (just like humans).

A dog is a dog. It's not fair to claim because they are involved in more 'crimes' that they are inherently different than another one of the same subspecies.

As much as you can change a dog outer appearance from a wolf, you can likewise change their behavioral traits. They revert in mannerisms and behavior in a few generations, similar to their physical appearance.

So while I agree with the gist of what you're saying, I have different reasons. Aggressiveness certainly can be bred in and out of any animal with those types of hormones. But honestly nobody is really doing the science to tell you if pitbulls are over any given threshold.

Anyway, my 2 cents about this thread:

Indoor cats are slaves and outdoor cats are free and magical.

If you have an outdoor cat, you need to be prepared to find out that that animal has been run over or eaten by a pitbull. It's part of having an outdoor cat. Which are rad.

Pitbulls are amazing animals, and will respond to your nonverbal language just like any dog. I've never known a pitbull I wasn't able to immediately turn into a puppy by wagging my butt and smiling. I've known several rescued pits, and even when they are RAISED to fight, they just want to cuddle with you if you tell them it's ok.

When I was a kid, I had a cat that had a little of kittens. They were probably 2-3 weeks old. I had a west highland white terrier. He got in to the kittens. When I got home it was a bloody horror show. I learned to accept that animals are different than humans and that instincts are a bitch.

Humans owning animals as pets need to learn to accept animal nature in pets and work with that nature instead of trying to conform pet animals to human nature.