so you guys are looking for EQ Minus....

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God damn this OP is dumb.

I wish I had more to say, but every time I get through 1-2 sentences of his, I can't even continue reading, and I'm at a loss for what else to say than that.

lol

[PDX0621]

Originally Posted by bigshowtime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get a brain moran

These people rele got u fooled

Get a dictionary! *moron *really

Seriously, I have nothing worthwhile to contribute to this thread, but had to point out the spelling error(s) above. Always find it ironic when someone tries to insult someone else or question their intelligence, but can't even spell their insult correctly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Carry on.

[Alanus]

Originally Posted by PDX0621 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Get a dictionary! *moron *really

Seriously, I have nothing worthwhile to contribute to this thread, but had to point out the spelling error(s) above. Always find it ironic when someone tries to insult someone else or question their intelligence, but can't even spell their insult correctly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Carry on.

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[Clark]

Originally Posted by Alanus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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A+

[Grimjaw]

live EQ is a joke. now lock thread & go back to your horrible server.

[Iandyan]

I'm here to experience EQ the same way I did 1999-2002ish. It's a nostalgia server. Everyone has a different "favorite" expansion they would like to experience again.

[Uberbandit]

Wall of text inc, those of you with weak constitutions may wish to look away now.

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at this point I have to assume that you forum folk are the most adamant and purist among the players here and that since 30% here don't need more than what I figured, then it's probably upwards of half of the members on p99 servers that would be happy with an official server if it just didn't have mercs and all that. do you guys think that's a fair assumption or do you feel like the poll's 30% represents it better? a third of 40k is still a whole lot, I hope SoE sees this....

Forum polls are always misleading. A sample of 173 users out of your assumed 40k is statistically irresponsible to say the least. Not a lot that can be done about that though, so you have to take the numbers with a grain of salt. Suffice it to say, unless you want a standard deviation of 10-20%, if not more, polls are essentially nothing more than a topic starter.

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading all those posts was pretty enlightening. it's sad how they'd have to throw away expansions full of zones to make most of you happy. I doubt you need as much as you think you do, I think you're listing everything that you'd like to be changed instead of the bare minimum required change to get you back. I'd put up with a lot of nonsense and go back right now if they weren't giving away free lvl 85 chars with all of the aa's for example, but of course I'm also saying I'd like no mercs, no fast travel, no crazy gear, and a real death penalty. especially for those of you whose deals aren't broken with a certain expansion, I can't imagine you'd need more than that.

People are listing everything they want back because it is what they are getting here. In a vacuum, yes people may only need a few changes to say they enjoy Live EQ. However, we are not in a vacuum and instead we have the choice between P99 and Live EQ.

Live EQ is presently a shit sandwich, I believe it is commonly agreed on that changes need to be made.

"Slight fixed" Live EQ is a piece of bread. We have removed the shit that makes it impossible to eat...literally. I would eat a piece of bread, if someone asked.

Project 1999 is a delicious sandwich. It has everything we (I) enjoy and is our favourite food. It reminds you of your grandmother's cooking and brings back good nostalgia vibes.

"Completely fixed" Live EQ, which would basically satisfy 99% of what everyone in this thread is asking for, would be a unicorn steak sandwich. Tastiest thing on the planet, but both the chance and realistic possibility it would happen are slim to none.

So that is why people are asking for more than you would think, because they don't want to settle for less.

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure how you recognize PCs as bots... if I run into someone and /con them DB-YLW I'll invite, if they don't say anything I guess it's possible that they could be a bot but I'd never know the difference between an actual person just ignoring me.... most ppl join and chat anyway and whoever's not in the group isn't part of my game so they don't really matter to me. is that the "hacking/cheating" ppl here are talking about? I feel like the whole bots/hackers/cheaters/boxers are largely invisible, easily ignorable and entirely insignificant compared to things that directly affect your experience every time like the mercs, gear, and free aa's that everyone uses.

I agree with you here, the bots/hackers could very well be largely invisible. Things like instancing and buying of levels separate players from each other. In classic EQ, as the P99 community uses the term, there is much more competition since there are no instances.

There is a magical horse by the name of Loot Piñata (his friends call him LP). LP drops good stuff for mid level characters, and even if the stuff isn't good for you it is worth some money. Sirken and Derubael (original names, do not steal) both are around the same level and want to kill LP for his drops. Sirken is using a maphack and can see exactly where LP spawns, and then can speedhack to go there instantly. Derubael is a clean player and is tracking with his Ranger (because why wouldn't someone play Ranger?). Obviously Sirken gets to LP first every time.

With instancing, Sirken goes and hacks his way through his personal version of LP's pony house and gets his loots and his happy. Derubael can clear his own instance legitimately and not have his experience ruined by hacking.

Since there isn't a lot of competition in Live EQ with the addition of instances, it is very easy to see why you wouldn't notice hacking/boxing/whatever. Personally, I like non-instanced games that are policed so that competition is fair instead of instances. I could go into why, but suffice it to say I am not the only one that has this preference and that we obviously want what we like in the videogame.

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

woah, the whole power level difference is way exaggerated. look at original eq for example... the gear you get at lvl 1 is as much worse than the gear you get at lvl 50 as the gear you get at level 50 is from the gear you get at lvl 70, and it takes about as long to get from 1-50 as it does from 50-70 so it makes perfect sense. of course your gear is "obsolete" b4 you're even max lvl, I'd like it to always be obsolete compared to something... it's eq. you get better gear so that you can get better gear.... as soon as you have the best gear, I imagine you just reroll....

what do you guys do on this p99 server when you reach lvl 50(60 with kunark?) and acquire the best gear? there's no longer any way to improve w/o any aa's or achievements....

As a player who has been on the p99 server for nearly 3 years now on and off my highest level character is a 32 Ranger. Instead of level capping, I enjoyed myself leveling nearly every class (Shadowknight and Wizard are still on my to-do list) into their 20's. Almost always the same zones, Gfay->Crushbone->Unrest->Oasis being my favourite. Classic EQ is set up in such a way that leveling is enjoyable, and not simply a time (money w/ subscription fees) sink. P99 has also retained the social aspect missing in many modern MMO's, and I know quite a few people that level into their 40's/50's and buff noobs or port people around since helping people is fun.

Other people enjoy slaying raid targets they never got to see in live, or enjoy being the best of the best. The playerbase is proof enough that people are enjoying themselves at all stages of the game, and too large and varied for me to list every possible reason they continue to play on Project 1999.

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and eq isn't great just b/c of antonica, there are over 900 zones now. over 100k trees! 20k spells! its land area is estimated at one third the size of texas! it's by far the biggest game ever made, the sheer magnitude is daunting.... that's what drew me back, just hearing those things I knew I had to see what I had missed out on. it's a shame so many of you can't appreciate all that content b/c of some silly models or b/c some insignificant portion of the playerbase multiboxes. it's sad that to over 70% of you, removing the hand-holding, freebies, and shortcuts wouldn't be enough....

I think I cover most of this with the other posts, but one new topic is the content. The "over 70% of you" that is mentioned doesn't like the new content. More specifically, judging from posts here and general knowledge, they don't like the way that they are interacting with the new content. AA's change the game. New spells change the game. Magic teleport books change the game. Change isn't always bad, as a Ranger there is a lot of changes I am sad aren't implemented in p99 already (hybrid xp penalty removal and SoW being moved to level 30 both in Velious).

If the EQ devs took a step back to where they were at for Velious, it is entirely possible for them to preserve the things we liked about Classic EQ without making the unpopular changes. The easiest to describe offender is the PoK books. Porting classes are cool because they can get you to places very quickly when compared to the traditional method. We are talking maybe 2-3 minutes to meet up versus an up to 15 minute wait at docks, another 15 minutes on the boat, and then a half hour of running across zones that are often dangerous. Part of the fun of EQ is that it hates you, and isn't afraid to put obstacles in front of players. Yes, the travel time is a wall that can scare people off, but it is climbable. Porting classes can give you the ladder to get over that wall, but the PoK books put a door in it. Why ladder when you can door?

Originally Posted by drew0987654 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and I can't believe not a single one of you knows of any guild that plays on an official server that doesn't allow mercs etc.........

I can, the people posting here play on P1999 and are satisfied enough that they do not look deeply enough elsewhere to know these guilds offhand. Personally, I know it's been mentioned in a recent thread here that someone was starting such a thing up. I didn't have much interest, since the P1999 sandwich is much better than taking the shit out of the EQ Live shit sandwich yourself and trying to ignore the poo-stains.

Hopefully you now have all the answers you were looking for, if not I can try to sum it up in a few words. People like Project 1999 more than Live EQ, and even if Live EQ changed they have no reason to stop doing what they enjoy to follow after a game with a poor track record.