Chest's new raid thread is retarded

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

Looking forward to our first Vulak kill!

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

Or just don't break one of the 200 raid rules or their sub-rules or amendments.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

I brought that up in the summit. I personally don't want a bunch of people trying to take charges and/or flopping. Sirken defends anyone blocking Chardok from AEing, but saying anyone standing purposefully in the middle of a pull in ToV probably deserves it. It doesn't make sense.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 day suspension is junk for completely unrelated targets. Looks like you will force your way yet into NTOV. All I expect is guilds deliberately now frapsing and forcing themselves into terrible positions to petition out other guilds for 10 days.

If I was interested in bringing manipulation to the raid scene I'd be in awakened or aftermath already. You can expect the same fair play we've demonstrated for 5 years now.

[r0xx0r]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope you guys can figure it out soon. Stakes just got much higher if you are wrong....

"A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened." -- Sirken's new rule.

could there be punishment for false petitions as well? The crying wolf story comes to mind- why do you think Admin/GM/Dev 's are not "being as involved" as some/many think they should be? I could only imagine some of the bullshit they deal with pertaining to this.

Petition Quest : Scars of Epeen

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by r0xx0r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Petition Quest : Scars of Epeen

Rofl

[Fire Beetle]

I am too lazy to listen to the entire 6 hours of your meeting but wasn't there mention of Rampage having over 30 petitions to Forsaken? Wouldn't this deemed as wasting the time of the GMs/Staff of the server?

Also, I would really like clarity when it comes to what happens to a guild if they merge when it pertains to petitions or suspensions.

[Troubled]

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?*
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. If you forfeit/concede the target being contested within a reasonable amount of time (before the target is killed and looted), the staff will recognize this and not take action against the guild/party in question. The concession or forfeiture of a target should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, to ensure that everyone sees it. At this point the concession or forfeiture is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any other guild/party refuse to accept a concession or forfeiture. If you have conceded or forfeited a mob, and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the staff’s time. The staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving the concession or forfeiture of a target has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the concession or forfeiture of a target for any reason, ie: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished. The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment).

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The staff has decided that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target). We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit that target, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. If a guild/party offers to concede/forfeit their attempt at the target, you must accept this. If the target is already killed and they offer up all of the loots to the guild that was wronged, you must accept this. Refusing to accept a concession of the target (pre-death) or forfeiture of the loots (post-death), and then just petitioning them anyway will likely result in action taken against your guild/party, and not theirs. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it) (Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild)

Q6: If we must bring a dispute to the GM's, how do we go about doing this?
A: If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit as described above, then have*one*officer or leader with the authority to negotiate disputes for your guild petition in the petition/exploit forum. Please use clear formatting, cohesive sentences, and paragraphs. A full and detailed description of the event must be submitted (if the video is more than a couple minutes then you should include timestamps of importance). Include fraps, screenshots, and logs where applicable. We also request you provide a brief summary of the negotiations that took place (and likely failed) prior to the dispute being escalated to the CSR staff.

Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone. This means actually communicate so that both parties have a fair amount of time to work out a safe place. or a safe time to drop the train

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened.


also, expect a thread laying out rules specific to ToV and Kael

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[Swish]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?*
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. If you forfeit/concede the target being contested within a reasonable amount of time (before the target is killed and looted), the staff will recognize this and not take action against the guild/party in question. The concession or forfeiture of a target should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, to ensure that everyone sees it. At this point the concession or forfeiture is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any other guild/party refuse to accept a concession or forfeiture. If you have conceded or forfeited a mob, and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the staff’s time. The staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving the concession or forfeiture of a target has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the concession or forfeiture of a target for any reason, ie: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished. The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment).

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The staff has decided that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target). We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit that target, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. If a guild/party offers to concede/forfeit their attempt at the target, you must accept this. If the target is already killed and they offer up all of the loots to the guild that was wronged, you must accept this. Refusing to accept a concession of the target (pre-death) or forfeiture of the loots (post-death), and then just petitioning them anyway will likely result in action taken against your guild/party, and not theirs. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it) (Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild)

Q6: If we must bring a dispute to the GM's, how do we go about doing this?
A: If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit as described above, then have*one*officer or leader with the authority to negotiate disputes for your guild petition in the petition/exploit forum. Please use clear formatting, cohesive sentences, and paragraphs. A full and detailed description of the event must be submitted (if the video is more than a couple minutes then you should include timestamps of importance). Include fraps, screenshots, and logs where applicable. We also request you provide a brief summary of the negotiations that took place (and likely failed) prior to the dispute being escalated to the CSR staff.

Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone. This means actually communicate so that both parties have a fair amount of time to work out a safe place. or a safe time to drop the train

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened.


also, expect a thread laying out rules specific to ToV and Kael

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Rudith <Empire>

What does this have to do with red?

[r0xx0r]

possibly solution? Anti-AFK pop up for raid zones. If you are in zone for x amount of time a window will pop up with a question/link you must respond in x amount of time or you are kicked to server select? But r0xx0r! what about zones that have ppl just leveling? I dunno I just suggested the first part, maybe something can build off this. Does it fix the screen sharing? Not totally but maybe it's a good start. Or is this just another ploy for my friends and what not to just trample over more Chest-nuts?