Calling all Charm Killing Pro's

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah no sane person who cares about accuracy or objectivity in a million years is going to accept testing results from someone as susceptible to emotional appeal and confirmation bias as this idiot. This thread is obviously just an exercise in masturbatory narcissism - he doesn't actually care about things like "data" and "facts", he just wanted to play dress-up as an intellectually superior polymath who brow-beats and condescends to everyone who doesn't immediately agree with and cater to his obviously more advanced knowledge of all things elf sim related.

Someone so fragile and incapable of culpability would be an absolute nightmare to deal with in the real world - imagine trying to confront this guy about a minor mistake he made somewhere along the line. When you try to engage with someone in friendly conversation and you're immediately met with, and I quote, "Quit while you're ahead," there's really nothing else to discuss. At that point everything else that comes out of him is at best highly suspect if not a complete fabrication of his own reality.

QFP (quoted for posterity)

[SoekiWiz]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QFP (quoted for posterity)

Why in the name of dear lord baby Jesus are you still talking?

Let's straighten a few things out for you big guy.

Thread post #1: I asked two questions. The short versions are
1) How many people must be in a group to negate pet exp penalties if this is even a thing?
2) Regarding damage, is there a difference between doing 1 pt or no pts of dmg when calculating how much exp the pet takes?

Your first response, was to Expediency citing that someone in the group needs to do player dealt direct damage for exp.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You specifically don't have to do any damage, just someone in the group. If you're referring to a cleric/enchanter duo, for example, where no player melee damage is done, damage is being dealt to the mob through spells such as DoTs, nukes, etc.

Your next response was to Dreenk317, reinforcing your argument that players must deal damage to get exp.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm, I'm willing to wager a debuff wouldn't be enough - if there isn't at least 1 point of player-dealt damage then it will not only not give exp, but the corpse will poof as well - just as any NPC corpse does when an NPC slays an NPC. A damage shield on the pet wouldn't count as player damage either.

My response to you beginning to dump misinformation and nonsense into my thread where I'm seeking factual answers:

Originally Posted by SoekiWiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure about the rest but this is definitely inaccurate. I've done tons of kills without dealing any direct damage and they all yield exp.

That wasn't the question. The question was how much.

Please stop guessing :P

Politely debunked your corpse poofing fuckery, redirected the thread to the original questions that I asked in OP, and asked you to please stop guessing. Clearly it was a guess, because had you actually done it, like I have and literally every other person in this thread who contributed had, you'd know there's an exp messages and corpses certainly do not "poof." Blatant asshattery going on here.

Trollhide also corrected you.

Instead of "You know what, that's right, maybe I forgot or it was different on live, you definitely get an exp message and lootable corpse when the pet does all the damage," you choose to backpedal and attempt a jedi mind trick to alter the questions asked:

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are two different conversations here though: solo with a pet versus group with a pet. We all know some amount of player damage, allegedly >50%, is required to gain full exp when solo. The question of whether any damage is required in a group to either a) gain full exp, or b) gain any exp and have a lootable corpse is legitimate.

Tuurin has also politely corrected your original shit-for-brains post about corpse poofery. He even called you mate, isn't that nice?

This is me again, attempting to course correct from you continuing to throw the thread into a tangent.

Originally Posted by SoekiWiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I know what the questions were. I asked them.

Quit while you're ahead.

At this point, you are officially butt-hurt.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reread my original post please - it's been edited - and you could also stop being a complete dick while you're at it.

Out of courtesy, I did reread your original post. It's still idiotic. Now you've started with the name calling, because you feel the tears swelling up.

I poke you back, with some fire, because I don't particularly appreciate being called a dick for trying to keep my own god damn thread on track.

Your reply:

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I've provided correct information. Sorry you're such a piece of shit that you're unwilling to at least read it, though.

Again, attempting to reinforce your original argument. Which is the antithesis of accurate (I know SAT words too bitch, I just don't need to plaster them all over a message board in an attempt to sound smart to cover up for my Freudian slip of stupidity).

A few more folks make some posts. Outside of your tummy sticks partner, nobody agrees with or appreciates the nonsense oozing out of the two of you. In contrast, I know NONE of the people that were posting in opposition to you. I don't have to link arms with my fay gate ass pals to try and salvage my e-reputation, cuz quite honestly I could give a fuck what you or anyone else on here thinks about me <3

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it impossible to have an actual discussion about anything without it becoming a belligerent, counterproductive dick-swinging contest? You whipped it out first, and for that I hold you in contempt. My points don't need the validation of a couple morons who can't have a sober conversation about something as objective as P99 game mechanics and, more importantly, how P99 game mechanics ought to be.

To quote one of my favorite movies, "Uhhhh, yer chart says yer shit's fucked up... and... you talk like a fag... soooo..." -Dr. Lexus.

The REST of us WERE having a discussion. If you actually read anything besides the shit that set your panties on fire, you'd see that. There wasn't a dick swinging contest, there was a "You're wrong, stop," directive sent your way. I'm wearing a blue tie. You can argue that my tie is red until you're blue in the face (get it?), but it's still not red. This is not mechanics nor objective nor philosophical/religious/whatever other irrelevant word you'd like to slap in there to sound fancy.

The tie is blue. You're a moron.

More back and forth.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus christ dude, you can't be... fine, okay, I give up.

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Maybe he'll go away? Hooray!

Nope, here we go again. Has to chime back in multiple pages later.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah no sane person who cares about objectivity and accuracy in a million years is going to accept testing results from someone as susceptible to emotional appeal and confirmation bias as this idiot. This thread is obviously just an exercise in masturbatory narcissism - he doesn't actually care about things like "data" and "facts", he just wanted to play dress-up as an intellectually superior polymath who brow-beats and condescends to everyone who doesn't immediately agree with and cater to his obviously more advanced knowledge of all things elf sim related.

Someone so fragile and incapable of culpability would be an absolute nightmare to deal with in the real world - imagine trying to confront this guy about a minor mistake he made somewhere along the line. When you try to engage with someone in friendly conversation and you're immediately met with, and I quote, "Quit while you're ahead," there's really nothing else to discuss. At that point everything else that comes out of him is at best highly suspect if not a complete fabrication of his own reality.

I'm not even going to pick this one apart, because I'm exhausted from this much so far. The entire point of the thread was to get the right answer. When the right answer was not able to be provided (we have a probable answer, technically still unconfirmed) I volunteered to take the suggestion of another contributor and go figure it out. Which will be done, regardless of your nonsense.

You have gotten better at TryHard (200). Seriously. Masking your moronic commentary with moar SAT words you're probably googling? More syllables doesn't make you sound more intelligent.

We'll wrap it up with this:

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, totally sounds like I was stating an undeniable, inarguable fact here and not just furthering the conversation. What a complete presumptuous asshole I was!

In all seriousness though, you're more than welcome to join the PaulG fanclub, if this is your sodium-infused entrée. I've been considering a slogan - I've got a few in mind, so it's not final, but I was thinking "Swag on PaulG's dick" has a certain ring to it. I'm open to suggestions.

You're giving yourself far, FAR too much credit.

I'll put it to you like this.

If you were to hit the lottery

Or die in a horrific car accident

Right now

Nobody would care. With exception of your pillow pal, and that's a maybe.

You are not important. You are not a unique snowflake. Nobody cares. Since I can't tell you to quit while you're ahead again based on the ginormous sized hole you've dug yourself, just stahp.

We have tons of actual input and contributions, so thank you to everyone else. We seem to have arrived at just needing to test it for those of us who want to know, which I've already volunteered to do. It should be done tonight assuming I can get around to logging in.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Originally Posted by SoekiWiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why in the name of dear lord baby Jesus are you still talking?

Let's straighten a few things out for you big guy.

Thread post #1: I asked two questions. The short versions are
1) How many people must be in a group to negate pet exp penalties if this is even a thing?
2) Regarding damage, is there a difference between doing 1 pt or no pts of dmg when calculating how much exp the pet takes?

Your first response, was to Expediency citing that someone in the group needs to do player dealt direct damage for exp.


Your next response was to Dreenk317, reinforcing your argument that players must deal damage to get exp.


My response to you beginning to dump misinformation and nonsense into my thread where I'm seeking factual answers:


Politely debunked your corpse poofing fuckery, redirected the thread to the original questions that I asked in OP, and asked you to please stop guessing. Clearly it was a guess, because had you actually done it, like I have and literally every other person in this thread who contributed had, you'd know there's an exp messages and corpses certainly do not "poof." Blatant asshattery going on here.

Trollhide also corrected you.

Instead of "You know what, that's right, maybe I forgot or it was different on live, you definitely get an exp message and lootable corpse when the pet does all the damage," you choose to backpedal and attempt a jedi mind trick to alter the questions asked:


Tuurin has also politely corrected your original shit-for-brains post about corpse poofery. He even called you mate, isn't that nice?

This is me again, attempting to course correct from you continuing to throw the thread into a tangent.


At this point, you are officially butt-hurt.


Out of courtesy, I did reread your original post. It's still idiotic. Now you've started with the name calling, because you feel the tears swelling up.

I poke you back, with some fire, because I don't particularly appreciate being called a dick for trying to keep my own god damn thread on track.

Your reply:


Again, attempting to reinforce your original argument. Which is the antithesis of accurate (I know SAT words too bitch, I just don't need to plaster them all over a message board in an attempt to sound smart to cover up for my Freudian slip of stupidity).

A few more folks make some posts. Outside of your tummy sticks partner, nobody agrees with or appreciates the nonsense oozing out of the two of you. In contrast, I know NONE of the people that were posting in opposition to you. I don't have to link arms with my fay gate ass pals to try and salvage my e-reputation, cuz quite honestly I could give a fuck what you or anyone else on here thinks about me <3



To quote one of my favorite movies, "Uhhhh, yer chart says yer shit's fucked up... and... you talk like a fag... soooo..." -Dr. Lexus.

The REST of us WERE having a discussion. If you actually read anything besides the shit that set your panties on fire, you'd see that. There wasn't a dick swinging contest, there was a "You're wrong, stop," directive sent your way. I'm wearing a blue tie. You can argue that my tie is red until you're blue in the face (get it?), but it's still not red. This is not mechanics nor objective nor philosophical/religious/whatever other irrelevant word you'd like to slap in there to sound fancy.

The tie is blue. You're a moron.

More back and forth.


Maybe he'll go away? Hooray!

Nope, here we go again. Has to chime back in multiple pages later.


I'm not even going to pick this one apart, because I'm exhausted from this much so far. The entire point of the thread was to get the right answer. When the right answer was not able to be provided (we have a probable answer, technically still unconfirmed) I volunteered to take the suggestion of another contributor and go figure it out. Which will be done, regardless of your nonsense.

You have gotten better at TryHard (200). Seriously. Masking your moronic commentary with moar SAT words you're probably googling? More syllables doesn't make you sound more intelligent.

We'll wrap it up with this:


You're giving yourself far, FAR too much credit.

I'll put it to you like this.

If you were to hit the lottery

Or die in a horrific car accident

Right now

Nobody would care. With exception of your pillow pal, and that's a maybe.

You are not important. You are not a unique snowflake. Nobody cares. Since I can't tell you to quit while you're ahead again based on the ginormous sized hole you've dug yourself, just stahp.

We have tons of actual input and contributions, so thank you to everyone else. We seem to have arrived at just needing to test it for those of us who want to know, which I've already volunteered to do. It should be done tonight assuming I can get around to logging in.

[ ] rekt [ ] not rekt [X] tyrannosaurus rekt

[paulgiamatti]

Well, technically it will be applicable to any EverQuest server, but yep - myself along with about 6 others are still diligently plugging away at it when time permits, though we're in kind of a lull phase as we're waiting for Zaela's new app to be finished.

[maskedmelon]

Ok!", I found it! I already knew all of this, but never recognized the cognitive dissonance because I don't really play a charm class -.- FUCK ME! I'm staying away from my enchanter and necro and am not making a Druid EVER!








:c

[NegaStoat]

Originally Posted by Cave Troll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone else not read any posts in this thread?

I just stumbled across it and read everything.
Holy god. One of the only good posts involved making a level 1 necro and doing a test. I'd make a lvl 1 human necro in freeport, give it the level 1 pet spell and a pair of rusty halberds or 2h swords and some bone chips, and take screenshot samples of killing a lvl 1 decaying skelly on my own, with the (unarmed) pet helping but I do over 50%, then with the pet armed and doing 1 point and letting the pet kill it with most damage done, then letting the armed pet kill a decaying solo.
Then I'd go over to EC, politely ask someone to help in the name of SCIENCE for a 5 min group, and take fresh test samples of the above.

I'd only do it if I was incredibly concerned about the outcome though. I already read a guide on how pet exp works on P1999 on the wiki and it didn't fail me in leveling a character.