Awakened 30 day

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We never ask for any guild to be banned

Did you think your petition would cause Sirken to throw Awakened an ice cream party?

[Nommis]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think CSG (now being Europa and Omni) will get much out of this 30 day ban, and I am okay with that - I also think 30 day is a bit harsh really. But I have learned long ago that dialogue with A/A leadership leads to nothing, so if they can't even leave us alone to kill a mob they have already conceded because of breaking the rules, then yeah, ban is in order. The reason for 30 days? I imagnie uncountable number of bans in the past cpl of years, things add up - stop getting in situations where bans are possible?

We never ask for any guild to be banned, we always ask to be left alone when we once in a while target a mob. This was one of those times, and this time we got rolled over by a guild who doesn't care, because they had to kill a mob they also don't really care for after having killed hundreds of times, because of some desire to "win" over another guild who has also killed it hundreds of times.....that was a 90 minute waste of 50-60 peoples time - the number of man hours there is staggering.

Call them wellfare pixels, call it an investment, call it whatever you want - let the casaul guilds on P99 see some content without having to play like you do, and I am sure you will only get each other banned going forward.

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[Skew]

C/R/FFA wouldnt work if you use NTOV as one mob thinking about it.

Staff also have to consider some element of game theory here. When punishments become so severe , you lose the ability to control. If people quit or get banned for 50 days raiding , theyre going to start ignoring your authority. Too much stick and not enough carrot isnt a good mix.
New guilds will get formed etc.
Sure , you can go through each player and ban each a/c , but thats a whole new can of spaghetti and thats what will probably end up happening if the bans continue to be incremental.

Maybe thats the idea?

[Culkasi]

contat = content

[Culkasi]

and place = play - apart from that, great typing Culkasi!

[Vorkon]

Its just a difference of cultures, A/A pretty much have to deal with each other on a raid to raid basis, so when either of them screw up, they usually get into tells and work out some sort of agreement so it doesn't become a petition issue. While I wouldn't say the relationship is great, there is communication between them to work things out and come to some sort of compromise.

Usually like a "we screwed this up so you can have the next 2-4 of x_raidtarget uncontested by us".

Basically 2 nuclear powered entities with a direct phone line to each other that doesn't require the outside powers to mediate (for the most part, sometimes agreements cant be worked and the petitionquest happens). Now you have another guild(s) added to the equation that doesn't have the same communication styles or speed dial to the other guilds to work things out and it immediately goes to petition quest. When AW pulled the 'AW concedes" on Fesh, After Eashan was zooted out, there should have been a concerted effort by leadership from both AW/CSG to work out some sort of additional concession agreement instead of petitioning.

Personally I think that guild suspensions should max out at 20 days, suspend the individual members who caused the issue/train on an incrementally increasing days off (20/40/60days,etc) and try to limit the power of the pull teams.

As it stands right now, With AW sitting at a 30day, AM will likely eat a 30 day on their next infraction, there is no real reason for the non A/A guilds to try and work things out.

[Skew]

Petition should all be made on the raid forum in a public manner so everyone can see whenever a petition is made and for what.

Also , CSG have been given so many bones its funny listening to Culkasi complain about not getting room for the little guy. You were literally just handed a free Eashan and then petitioned 1 of the guilds that messaged you to come kill it. You think youre going to get a better response from A/A leaders now? Shady shit bro.

[Spyder73]

When two guilds have made a conscious decisions that they are going to go after every single raid mob, every single cycle, every single week, what would you recommend the staff do to persuade you to let some others enjoy raid content and stop gearing your 4th alt? What others guilds outside of A/A raid every single raid monsters every single week? Answer - None. Response - Sirken discouraging farming content for the sake of farming content

[Culkasi]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment. A/A can just concede the next 2-4 of whatever when they screw up because the other guild will accept that with 99.9% certainty they will be killing said mob on the next 2-4 cycles. If Awakened concedes Feshlak, what the fuck does that do for CSG? Tell me the odds of CSG killing even one of the next 2-4 Feshlaks that Aftermath know Awakened has conceded.
No, thats right, I thought so.

[Vorkon]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment.
No, thats right, I thought so.

Its working in VP with A/A/PS, which admittedly has some different nuances but still working.

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