Wiki FashionQuest Just Got Even Better

[d3r14k]

Your attention to detail in my off the cuff example is admirable. They're all some variable of "skin" color, with the exception of apricot, I guess. I'd like to point out that I'm the "me" in this scenario, with no idea what any of these colors should actually be.

It could 100% be that I'm in the wrong here, and I need to use this "pantone" or similar site to just look at whatever color is on the wiki.

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your attention to detail in my off the cuff example is admirable. They're all some variable of "skin" color, with the exception of apricot, I guess. I'd like to point out that I'm the "me" in this scenario, with no idea what any of these colors should actually be.

It could 100% be that I'm in the wrong here, and I need to use this "pantone" or similar site to just look at whatever color is on the wiki.

Here are all the pantones for human skin colors.

I remember the old thread in which Loramin mentioned all the weird color names. It's here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...73&postcount=8

Not sure if that's something he could fix now that it's all been generated.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question for you, Loramin: Who decides what "color" some of the armor tints are? For example, the Scaled Knight's Armor is labeled as "Scampi". What the hell color is that? Can we not say light red or dark red or whatever the heck it may be?

Ok boring details time. Tints are defined as six-digit hexadecimal numbers (eg. #5959AB), which means that a tint could be any one of 16777217 different colors. Now there aren't that many tints, but there are still way too many for me to name by hand (they're the the majority of the fashion categories listed here: http://wiki.project1999.com/index.ph...set=&limit=500). Therefore I had to automate.

Programmers don't believe in re-inventing the wheel, so I used an existing library: https://github.com/zeke/color-namer. It has the ability to use any of the following color schemes:

• roygbiv
• basic
• html
• x11
• pantone
• ntc

BUT the more popular ones (eg. html) don't have that many colors in them. Let's say they have a "light blue", "blue", and "dark blue": if the tint color isn't an exact match, the best I can do is say "pick the closest color to this." If two tint colors happened to both be closest to "light blue" they'd wind up in the same category ... even if they were different tints.

Instead I went with one of the color schemes that had a ton of unique individual color names, which all but guaranteed that I wouldn't have that problem. However as you (and several others) have noted, this resulted in some "interesting" color names. They probably make sense if you're looking at fifty different shades of green and want the best name possible for a particular shade, but they make less sense when used as names for fashion categories. That's just an unfortunate side effect of trying to have unique, human-readable but machine-generated, names for every tint code.

The good news is, it's a wiki! To rename a color category all you have to do is:

1. Go to its page
2. Edit each item in that category (this sounds like a lot but most tint categories only have a few items in them)
3. Change "[Category:Fashion: Scampi]" (at the bottom) to "[Category:Fashion: Faded Blue]" (or whatever you want to call it).
4. If the original ("Scampi") category page was empty then you're all done. If not and it has some screenshots simply edit the page, copy everything, edit the new category page ("Faded Blue"), and paste the code in.

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if that's something he could fix now that it's all been generated.

Hypothetically I can tweak my code to change anything, but I still have the same issue as before: to get "good" color names someone needs to actually look at the color (ideally how it looks on a piece of armor and not just how the raw color looks), and then they need to come up with a proper name for it. If I just re-ran the code with a different color scheme we'd either risk combining tints (if I use a scheme with fewer colors) or else we'd get similarly "weird" color names (if I use a scheme with lots of colors).

But if every person who found these names annoying renamed just a single poorly-named category (again, most tint categories have only a few items, so we're usually talking about less than ten super quick one-word edits, always in the same place, ie. the bottom of the page) we'd have all of the really bad names replaced in no time.

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It could 100% be that I'm in the wrong here, and I need to use this "pantone" or similar site to just look at whatever color is on the wiki.

I'd argue that the best solution isn't to make anyone leave to look a color up: the best solution would be for people to upload at least one screenshot of armor from every tint. Then you'd go to the "Scampi" category and know what color it is by seeing what Scampi-colored armor looks like.

[d3r14k]

I knew this was going to be a complicated (and likely justified) answer, I just didn't know what it was. Thanks for providing it! Also, it wasn't my intention to diminish any of the work you're doing here if it came off that way. I use it a lot and definitely appreciate the detail that people put into the wiki.

Thanks again!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I knew this was going to be a complicated (and likely justified) answer, I just didn't know what it was. Thanks for providing it! Also, it wasn't my intention to diminish any of the work you're doing here if it came off that way. I use it a lot and definitely appreciate the detail that people put into the wiki.

Thanks again!

No worries. The wiki is communal property so I'm always happy to explain why I did things the way I did. On top of that I'm certainly not infallible, so these conversations could totally result in better ways to solve problems, which absolutely makes them worth having.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your attention to detail in my off the cuff example is admirable. They're all some variable of "skin" color, with the exception of apricot, I guess. I'd like to point out that I'm the "me" in this scenario, with no idea what any of these colors should actually be.

It could 100% be that I'm in the wrong here, and I need to use this "pantone" or similar site to just look at whatever color is on the wiki.

smiled at the simpsons image

[Jimjam]

Man, Rygar was in the lead with his bind wound bug reporting, but I think Loramin just took the biscuit with this as most moistmaking forumquester!

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hypothetically I can tweak my code to change anything

Can you make my foot fur 10% fuzzier?

[Lhancelot]

Loramin is a wiki-genius. It's official now.

Nice job on completing work in a system that sounds tedious and awful. Sounds like being in a foxhole all the while trying to create a life sized sculpture of an elephant.

[Baler]

Bump super cool

[sylfi]

You can search for the color here:
https://github.com/zeke/color-namer/.../colors/ntc.js

For example "Woodrush" = 302a0f

And look up 302a0f here: http://www.colorhexa.com/

That'll give you your color!