Name Changes

[Ciksharn]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly this. ^

I have not even had a name changed yet, and I can sympathize with those who have had a name they identified with for years instantaneously wiped off then replaced with some generic name like "Arleigh."

Hey Loramin, let's say they changed your name a day ago before Llandris posted that they were doing so, say you log in to play Loramin, and find your character now with the name "Himpuh" or some other name which you have absolutely no connection to, would you simply say, "oh well hey I understand, it was found inappropriate and I am just fine that it got wiped off." Time to log in and play now!

No you would not.

People are not being "whiny-asses" as you said when they are upset that their long established names have been wiped off, and even with justification now as to why the names have been wiped off, it still doesn't make it less hurtful to these players.

If they knowingly violated server rules why should sympathy be shown? I understand there may have been an emotional attachment but if you get emotionally attached to robbing banks the authorities don't have to go light on you. We have no evidence that I've seen posted suggesting they are getting rid of names that are not blatantly in violation of the policy as written. If so please provide proof and you may sway my opinion. Otherwise better late than never on rule enforcement. The rules are in place for a reason.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Ciksharn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they knowingly violated server rules why should sympathy be shown? I understand there may have been an emotional attachment but if you get emotionally attached to robbing banks the authorities don't have to go light on you. Better late than never on rule enforcement. The rules are in place for a reason.

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[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Ciksharn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they knowingly violated server rules why should sympathy be shown? I understand there may have been an emotional attachment but if you get emotionally attached to robbing banks the authorities don't have to go light on you. We have no evidence that I've seen posted suggesting they are getting rid of names that are not blatantly in violation of the policy as written. If so please provide proof and you may sway my opinion. Otherwise better late than never on rule enforcement. The rules are in place for a reason.

Everyone understands what the rule is, the fact of the matter is it was not implemented for YEARS.

You don't understand how someone that has invested 7 years of their life on a character, enjoyed that name for 7 years would be upset when the name is suddenly wiped off and replaced with a random generic name?

Hey fine, if you can't relate to that I can't help you out anymore than how I explained it here. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I bet I sound like some whiny liberal too, right? rofl at interjecting political stances into an argument about elf names and whether or not they are within violation of the naming policy. hahaha. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ciksharn]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone understands what the rule is, the fact of the matter is it was not implemented for YEARS.

You don't understand how someone that has invested 7 years of their life on a character, enjoyed that name for 7 years would be upset when the name is suddenly wiped off and replaced with a random generic name?

Hey fine, if you can't relate to that I can't help you out anymore than how I explained it here. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if you didn't understand robbing banks was bad? The rules are clearly posted and accessible. They are in fact in the exact same location as how to install the client and play on the server. I'm not saying if this happened to me I would not be upset. I'm saying if this happened to me regardless of emotion I broke the rule and am subject to it's punishment.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Loramin, let's say they changed your name a day ago before Llandris posted that they were doing so, say you log in to play Loramin, and find your character now with the name "Himpuh" or some other name which you have absolutely no connection to, would you simply say, "oh well hey I understand, it was found inappropriate and I am just fine that it got wiped off." Time to log in and play now!

No you would not.

That's kind of like asking "well how would you like it if you were in jail for cow tipping ...". Well that's a hard hypothetical, because I never have and never would go cow tipping ... just like I've never created a name that violated the rules (despite having multiple accounts worth of alts to name). If I name a character after something, it's something extremely obscure, like an ancient greek novel, that 99% of people on the server would never have heard of.

But I do have empathy, and I have guild mates with some truly awful names who I consider to be friends. I'm sure it would suck for them to login and find their name changed. Would it be unexpected? No, the rules have always been there, they just got away with breaking them for a long time. But it would still suck for them, and I'd hope that the staff would let them pick a new (non-violating) name that they like so they could still enjoy playing their character.

[Ciksharn]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a character with a so called "naming violation" is a level 1 or level 5 then who cares. But if it's a level 60 with 5 years played time... You need to have a conversation with that person before randomly changing their name because...

1 - Randomly tampering with something that someone has invested a lot of time, and offering no recourse, in is bizarre and unsympathetic. It's like telling someone to paint a picture, and 5 years later you make an ugly blue paint smear across the whole thing. And if they complain, you tell them you'll burn the whole thing. So you better tell them how lovely their blue smear is.

2 - A lot of these "violations" are a huge gray area and you need to err on the side of caution, because people have invested time into these names.

3 - If you're just relying on player petitions .. you may not be considering whether the petitioner is has a vendetta or just wants to grief someone.

*not personally affected by these changes. Just arguing on behalf of the downtrodden.

You're trying to introduce gray area where it doesn't exist. The rules are clearly laid out and if you've been in violation of them 5 minutes or 5 years you are subject to the consequences. Your post reminds me of a liberal rant offering no facts or details just citing your opinion as truth.

[branamil]

Originally Posted by Ciksharn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're trying to introduce gray area where it doesn't exist. The rules are clearly laid out and if you've been in violation of them 5 minutes or 5 years you are subject to the consequences. Your post reminds me of a liberal rant offering no facts or details just citing your opinion as truth.

I dunno why you're injecting conservative shill politics into your rant (probably cause your a deranged conspiracy theorist), but if you look at the list of banned names there's dozens that are really subjective.

[Ciksharn]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno why you're injecting conservative shill politics into your rant (probably cause your a deranged conspiracy theorist), but if you look at the list of banned names there's dozens that are really subjective.

Please provide the list and said names. You continue to argue without the use of data or facts

[branamil]

Originally Posted by Ciksharn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please provide the list and said names. You continue to argue without the use of data or facts

Please list of every banned name, and your explanation of *exactly* how it violates the naming policy. If you can't do this, we will assume I am right and there are many names that are subjective. Thanks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[hugoslavia]

Originally Posted by Ciksharn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would agree that per the rules this does not appear to violate anything however the rules also state "The server staff can, in accordance with all described rules and ultimate discretion" so it's still their call.

Originally Posted by Ciksharn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're trying to introduce gray area where it doesn't exist. The rules are clearly laid out and if you've been in violation of them 5 minutes or 5 years you are subject to the consequences. Your post reminds me of a liberal rant offering no facts or details just citing your opinion as truth.

You've just contradicted your argument about "trying to introduce gray area where it doesn't exist." I'm personally not opposed to names being changed, but I couldn't agree more with branamil's point that it could have been handled with more tact.

It doesn't send a very good message when names are changed that don't appear to violate the naming policy at all.