Are you kidding me?

[k2summit]

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[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...if joined one of those guilds, I couldn't make fun of both of them. Or even post here. This is more fun than the game.

Am in Aftermath, can confirm Detoxx/Pints issuing forum bans is a myth (if anyone was going to get one, it would certainly be me would it not be?).

[snead]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you ever stop and listen to the things you say? Cause I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point. Do you think ANYONE on the original EQ dev team thought to themselves "We need to make an item that will allow hardcore neckbeards to jump indefinitely so they can win FTE footraces and show those casual scum who's boss til they go farm VP themselves for 5 years so they can 'earn it'" you're quite literally out of your mind if that's honestly what you think. But we all know that's not really what you think it's just a dumb argument you made to support your dumb position. Let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think the average A/A member puts in significantly more "work" to "earn" their pixels than the average BDA or Europa or Anonymous member? For those that don't know here's a day in the life of the average raider in ANY (not just a/a) raid guild on P99.

1: Carry x y z 'required' consumables that 1/2 the raid doesn't bother to get or keep charged

2: "Park" your character wherever /get or website tells you to for upcoming dragon

3: Log in when you receive a batphone

4: Perform your classes (almost always) extremely easy role

5: Collect DKP/Pixels

6: Go back to step 2 rinse/repeat

This isn't rocket science. Almost all of the "hard" work is carried out by a super small group of people at the top of each guild. I put "hard" in quotes cause I'm not really sure you can call staring at a screen waiting for a mob to pop for 16 hrs or spam clicking a crown of rile to run to a mob faster "hard" but I'll let that slide. The vast majority of every raider on this server just logs in and hits their ch macro or backstab button for a while then logs off. You're not better than me cause the core neckbeard group in your guild neckbearded harder than the core neckbeard group in my guild. You didn't "earn" something that I didn't because when you get a batphone and log in to do exactly what everyone else does your guild tag happens to be Aftermath. You also didn't "earn" the right to have a significant advantage in all Velious footraces cause you belong to one of 2 guilds that had a monopoly on Veeshan's Peak for 5 years.

Get real

anyone who has ever been a game dev can confirm that no matter what you intended players are going to play your game in ways you personally never thought of. All they are doing is giving you a bunch of tools to play with. I'm sure if Brad read all this we're doing all sorts of shit he and his team never thought of. Two examples below.

1. rocket jumping in quake - this was huge back then and changed the way maps worked and new games planned around this.
2. Anytime someone speed speed run a game. They are typically abusing mechanics they never thought of. Ever watch a Zelda Speed Run?

Go watch the video below. Here's the perfect example of a speed runner with the doublefine team. This is video is pure gold on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsDc1YVxHA0

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a guild like Anonymous was to get enough Trak teeth to mount a consistent VP kill force (you're going to need 50+ because not everybody is going to be around every time PD pops) and then they were to get the PD FTE and pull down, and then kill PD (being generous, no offense) 50% of the time he pops...it would take them over a year to get enough crowns on their FTE'ers assuming none of them burn out or jump ship.

That is not a realistic expectation of another guild to "progress" through just to be able to keep up with our runners in ToV and Kael.

From the mouth of Aftermath itself. Props to Legday for not being a braindead idiot and having the balls to tell the truth <3

BDA has been going hard in VP since near the start of Velious. We were getting the majority of targets in there too for quite a while. If I'm not mistaken we have like... 3 crowns? 2 of which dropped on the same PD. It's not exactly a common drop. Not to mention these days there's quite a bit more competition for VP targets than there was in early Velious when the neckbeards kinda gave up on VP for a short while. A guild like Anonymous would have to kill enough Trak's to key 50+ players (I think they have 2-3 Trak kills so far?) then learn and execute VP's retardedly complex pull strats and secure enough PD's in direct competition with A/A (who's been doing it for almost 6 years now) and BDA who's been doing it for a year to get 3-4 crowns and hope nobody that got a crown ghosts or jumps ship to greener pixel pastures. All that just to be on even footing in a race for fucking statue.

Raise your hand if you think that sounds reasonable (Not you Signal you retard)

[Spyder73]

Best classic video game videos are the guys who can beat Mike Tyson's Punchout literally blindfolded and facing away from the TV

[Signal]

Originally Posted by Kileras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this. And, considering how their is now class system or anything remotely resembling "tiers", there is no end in sight to the bigger guilds just zoning us out continually from trakanon/VP/most other targets. If the "progression" was applied to everyone, not just hte smaller guilds, it would put the bigger guilds into the highest tier and enable things like trakanon>VP to be a legitimate progression tier for mid level guilds. But, good stuff drops in VP and fully keyed alt armies exist so there is no chance for that progression line as well.

The last PD was killed with like 22 players. Those HUGE alt armies yo. Let's live in reality instead of this made up world you seem to. If your guild had logged in right after the server went down last week. Between you and Divinity. You would have had enough to kill PD uncontested. A/A was busy with Tormax and Eashen. Let's spin a false rhetoric instead.

[Signal]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the mouth of Aftermath itself. Props to Legday for not being a braindead idiot and having the balls to tell the truth <3

BDA has been going hard in VP since near the start of Velious. We were getting the majority of targets in there too for quite a while. If I'm not mistaken we have like... 3 crowns? 2 of which dropped on the same PD. It's not exactly a common drop. Not to mention these days there's quite a bit more competition for VP targets than there was in early Velious when the neckbeards kinda gave up on VP for a short while. A guild like Anonymous would have to kill enough Trak's to key 50+ players (I think they have 2-3 Trak kills so far?) then learn and execute VP's retardedly complex pull strats and secure enough PD's in direct competition with A/A (who's been doing it for almost 6 years now) and BDA who's been doing it for a year to get 3-4 crowns and hope nobody that got a crown ghosts or jumps ship to greener pixel pastures. All that just to be on even footing in a race for fucking statue.

Raise your hand if you think that sounds reasonable (Not you Signal you retard)

BDA only goes in VP once every 2 weeks. 2 times a month. Not 4. So you only compete on half of the PDs and have gotten 3 crowns. BDA hasn't killed PD too often lately either. So please stop presenting false numbers and a false narrative in this discussion.

[Ciroco]

I think the fact that crowns are being championed as a required progression piece is hilarious enough to make the math irrelevant

[Kileras]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The last PD was killed with like 22 players. Those HUGE alt armies yo. Let's live in reality instead of this made up world you seem to. If your guild had logged in right after the server went down last week. Between you and Divinity. You would have had enough to kill PD uncontested. A/A was busy with Tormax and Eashen. Let's spin a false rhetoric instead.

what are you even talking about? there wasn't a full reset last week if i recall, and the other week there was a reset we bagged 5 dargunz in north/west. Trakanon is a heavily contested mob that because of its contention and the time it takes for keys, when allocating resources as a casual guild bagging 5 north/west mobs and a statue/AoW within the same 3 weeks is pretty fantastic compared to grinding those keys right now. If Trakanon wasn't so contested by much larger and more experienced guilds/harder dedication guilds then maybe our focus would change. We also get an hour to engage and muster for north/west mobs where we do not in VP, making it much harder for a guild like ours to have enough keys/guarantee enough login to secure a mob.

I am not spinning any kind of false rhetoric, you are acting like I am sitting around complaining and whining all the time when that isn't the case at all. Anonymous has been doing work and getting a lot done considering our age/size/experience level. I have made a few statements in total around trying to make racing better/more consistent across the board and thats it. We haven't been around as long as other people and respect every guild on here and our taking our time to figure out how "the game is played" and trying to adapt and compete. I hate the current system with a couple exceptions, but we are not sitting around complaining about it needing to be changed without trying our hardest first/putting forth what little competition we can muster.

Asking someone to show up and race when they don't have the helmet spam to hop and therefore 0 chance to win just seems stupid.

I think we are the only guild to get a FTE besides A/A not on a quake or reset, and the only guild besides A/A to get a dargun from north not on a quake or reset. Does this mean we are lucky? probably... but it seemed like the changes were meant for people in our exact position to have a shot at content or to make it a place we felt comfortable competing in, and If we/i/us think it still feels bogus and rigged then i think there is something there to explore.

[Nirgon]

its a flaw in your idea that a starting gun and a race has anything to do with everquest

you make rotations and fuck them up

then you come up with retarded ideas like foot races which should be reserved for lvl 1 gnome GM events and ..


SHOCKER

its a retarded idea with a retarded outcome, look at this thread

step away and look at this shit, you think you are solving things with anything other than a rotation? its a blue server. you share as a community. you cannot "fight" for raid targets no matter what in the hell you think qualifies as that without pvp being enabled.


this is the only thing worse than my post count, which isn't even as high as others now. seriously.