ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE) - Page 299

Sirken · #1 09-15-2016, 08:19 AM

season 7 spoilers?

https://youtu.be/UeKC7xW38J8

AenorVZ · #2 09-22-2016, 02:10 AM

So aight, thoughts on the Deeper Dorne recent installments? He makes a pretty good case that Doran set up Qentyn to fail. I think I may have caught Preston in a reach. He complains that they didn't provide Quentyn ravens although he did provide them to Arianna. Is there any instance in the books of ravens that travel between Westeros and Essos?

So I can buy that Qeyntn's mission had to be so super secret so that Doran wouldn't want him interacting with Essos intel contacts that might potentially let something slip. And Preston's arguments that the Yronwoods are not strictly loyal to the Martells are pretty compelling. It's really suspicious that, if this absolutely had to be a small, self-contained and elite unit to accomplish this super secret objective, it should have been at least two groups of five with an advance group to screen for and sometimes shadow Quentyn's group. With no help in Essos, Doran is 100% relying on too small a group of knights to pull off such a massive objective.

So it really does look like Doran sent his own son off to die or be enslaved or be imprisoned and tortured in Essos. And it also looks like, despite astronomical odds, Quentyn -- THE FUCKING BADDASS OF ASOIAF -- almost pulled that shit off. Because fuck you, Doran. Your boy put lash to fucking dragon. And fuck all you other Quentyn haters too. It took shiny brass balls to even walk into that cave.

Sirken · #3 09-26-2016, 04:51 AM

lol. Quentyn might also just be super dumb to walk up to the dragons as well. I assume that Varys uses ravens that fly from Westeros to Essos and from Essos to Westeros to order to communicate with contacts across the narrow sea. And also Euron gave ravens to Victarion that were to fly from Slaver's Bay back to the Iron Islands.

While I agree that Preston makes a lot of good points, Doran's Quentyn plan simply does not make sense to me. Unless you want Quentyn to die, why on earth would you send him on what seems like a possible suicide mission. It's possible that Doran doesn't know how big the dragons are at this point (news travels slowly, its possible they are still hearing tales of a Targaryen with 3 little dragons). I just don't know. There's a ton of things going on with in Dorne with Doran, but it just seems like Doran could have really improved Quentyn's odds of success with very little effort, and for whatever reason, he didn't do it.

Chaboo_Cleric · #4 09-26-2016, 11:51 AM

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lol. Quentyn might also just be super dumb to walk up to the dragons as well. I assume that Varys uses ravens that fly from Westeros to Essos and from Essos to Westeros to order to communicate with contacts across the narrow sea. And also Euron gave ravens to Victarion that were to fly from Slaver's Bay back to the Iron Islands.

While I agree that Preston makes a lot of good points, Doran's Quentyn plan simply does not make sense to me. Unless you want Quentyn to die, why on earth would you send him on what seems like a possible suicide mission. It's possible that Doran doesn't know how big the dragons are at this point (news travels slowly, its possible they are still hearing tales of a Targaryen with 3 little dragons). I just don't know. There's a ton of things going on with in Dorne with Doran, but it just seems like Doran could have really improved Quentyn's odds of success with very little effort, and for whatever reason, he didn't do it.

What's your take on the hound? You think we still going to see a Clegan Bowel? I think Sandor has a major role to play, I hope him and Breann hook up personally.

Sirken · #5 09-28-2016, 05:50 PM

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What's your take on the hound? You think we still going to see a Clegan Bowel? I think Sandor has a major role to play, I hope him and Breann hook up personally.

once upon a time i was 100% convinved we'd get Clegane Bowl, and that the Mountain and the Hound were put on this planet to eventually fight each other. But then Gregor is killed by Oberyn and "the hound" is put to rest by the elder brother on the quiet isle. now I understand that both of those men are still walking around, however their former characters are essentially already both dead.

Qyburn reanimated Ser Robert Strong, in the books it's very strongly hinted and implied that Robert Strong is Gregor's body mixed with parts from a few other bodies (ie: in the books we aren't even sure if he has a head, and there are theories that he actually has Robb Stark's head atop those giant shoulders). and on both books and show we can see that the personality of Gregor has completely changed. whatever is inside Robert Strong is not the same thing as whatever was in Gregor Clegane. Furthermore, i do not see Robert Strong leaving Cersei's side, and I can't see her leaving King's Landing.

As for Sandor Clegane, after he has his live saved by the Elder Brother, its made pretty clear that the entire persona of "The Hound" is dead and gone. Sandor is now on his redemption arc as a character, and I can no longer see him fighting for hatred or revenge, as it would be a complete 180 from the path he's cuurently on, and would render this part of Sander's story as a giant waste of time. I see him assisting the brothers of that isle, and possibly playing a role in the wars to come. But I do not see Sandor heading south to King's Landing.

If Brienne hooks up with anyone in the book, I'm really not sure whom it could be. she is much much uglier in the books than she is portrayed on the show. The only person that maybe would accept her is Jaime, but part of me thinks that Jaime and Cersei will die at roughly the same time, and Cersei's clock is ticking. on the show however, i could see them trying to pair Brienne and Tormund. (personally I'm more excited that GRRM confirmed Brienne was a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall, and waiting to see exactly what that connection is).

AenorVZ · #6 09-28-2016, 01:38 AM

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It just seems like Doran could have really improved Quentyn's odds of success with very little effort, and for whatever reason, he didn't do it.

Yep.

Sirken · #7 09-28-2016, 05:37 PM

interesting little video regarding The Curse of Robert Baratheon: https://youtu.be/HrMg_fTEmO8

Sirken · #8 09-29-2016, 02:35 PM

possible casting for Rhaegar Targaryen - https://youtu.be/U2vm2sbN4QQ

Sirken · #9 09-30-2016, 04:39 PM

It will surely be interesting how they portray Rhaegar. I personally want more information from the tragedy at Summerhall (where/when Rhaegar was born), but I think it much more likely that it will be the tourny at Harrenhal (I don't expect to see anymore ToJ scenes). BUT with that said, I think it's possible we just might see Ashara Dayne next season, and i'll tell you guys right now, if they do that it's going to get my nerd feelers all worked up [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AenorVZ · #10 10-01-2016, 03:10 AM

This is where D&D could totally 1000% redeem themselves for the shitshow that's been ongoing since what? Season 4? Instead of 20 minutes of screen time of Arya sweeping they could give us 20 minutes of exposition on the life of Rhaegar, about whom we learn so little from the books. This is your last chance D&D. Don't fuck this up.