Class defining epic

[kaev]

Originally Posted by nuuki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cleric epic seems one of the weakest from this perspective. All it does is save a bit of time and mana after a wipe doesn't it?

It saves quite a fair bit of time after a group wipe. When a raid wipes the huge amount of time saved by manaless rezzing can easily be the difference between "regroup and try again" & "go home". Clerics don't just have to rez after a wipe, and they don't have canni to jack their mana regen thru the roof while rebuffing everybody.






The game is still FashionQuest tho, flaming sword trumps all where it really counts: in the EC tunnel. Nobody looks better. The Paladin is the ultimate EQ poseur when he gets his epic.

[-Catherin-]

Shaman epic doesn't change how the class is played, but simply makes them more mana efficient because they have an extra way to do damage. looking at it that way, Torpor is more class defining than the epic is.

Bard epic literally changes how the class is played on a fundamental level, which was what the OP was asking. Other epics are more about making the classes a bit more powerful at what they already are able to do.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman epic doesn't change how the class is played, but simply makes them more mana efficient because they have an extra way to do damage. looking at it that way, Torpor is more class defining than the epic is.

Bard epic literally changes how the class is played on a fundamental level, which was what the OP was asking. Other epics are more about making the classes a bit more powerful at what they already are able to do.

100% disagree. A shaman without an epic is draaaaaaaaaaaaaastically different than one with.

I mean seriously, you may be thinking of a raid shaman.. sure then you are the same with or without an epic.

But for the other 99% of the game, your playstyle will change 100%.

You will not solo sebilis for xp and loot without one, you wont solo the efreeti AND all the imps for xp.

you wont solo every LDC in solb without one, you wont kill everything on the city of mist 2nd floor.

Sure you can go to these places and use the same strategies that the epic uses to kill A MOB.. but you wont be doing it as an efficient strategy that would make it a viable rout for XP.

So this means youre doing something, and playing the class 100% different with than you would be doing without an epic.

To me this is the most drastic change in playstle of any class once an epic is obtained.. there is nothing that compares to this frequent of different gameplay in classic EQ.

A topor shaman is still going to have a bad time killing every imp in solB for xp without an epic, not that you would with topor cus you're obviously already 60 and dont need that xp anymore, but if you wanted to go head to head, the epic shaman with topor would decimate the non epic sham.

shaman hands down is the most class defining epic.

A shaman with an epic can handle any and all xp camps that a group of 6 holds down on eq, on its own.. and without an epic it wouldnt even come close to doing that.

[dafier]

What fundamentals does the Bard epic bring in Velious? Seriously, what's different from Kunark Epic Bard to Velious Epic Bard?

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What fundamentals does the Bard epic bring in Velious? Seriously, what's different from Kunark Epic Bard to Velious Epic Bard?

Question had nothing to do with velious so I don't see your point. and the same question could be asked of any class when you put it that way. But the answer, as with any other class... is none. Velious going live doesn't change how an epic works.

Although bard epic does get changed so it will work in offhand too which is going to be really nice.

[Loke]

Also, the shaman epic is really only useful in solo / leveling scenarios. On raids the effect is essentially useless and in a group situation you'd need to have stunningly bad dps for its long duration and low dps start to have any real impact.

Definitely a good epic, but far more situational than the bards.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, the shaman epic is really only useful in solo / leveling scenarios. On raids the effect is essentially useless and in a group situation you'd need to have stunningly bad dps for its long duration and low dps start to have any real impact.

Definitely a good epic, but far more situational than the bards.

The quesation isnt what epic changes RAIDING more than any other epic, it asks what is the most clsas defining epic.

99% of the game is not raiding, 100% of the gameplay is changed with an epic on a shaman. There for the shaman epic is the most drastic change to gameplay you will find in EQ hands down.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The quesation isnt what epic changes RAIDING more than any other epic, it asks what is the most clsas defining epic.

99% of the game is not raiding, 100% of the gameplay is changed with an epic on a shaman. There for the shaman epic is the most drastic change to gameplay you will find in EQ hands down.

Class defining typically considers the full spectrum of what a class is capable of. So its natural that raiding and solo and grouping is all part of it.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by nuuki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would you guys say is the most impactful epic in the game and why?
What do you guys think?

I think that was why I asked my question. I am not trying to be a smart ass.

People mentioned Bard epic having the most impact, and my question is why? What's the difference of the Bard epic now, in Kunark, compared to Velious, and why does it impact the game the most (making it the #1 choice answer for some people on this thread)?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, the shaman epic is really only useful in solo / leveling scenarios. On raids the effect is essentially useless and in a group situation you'd need to have stunningly bad dps for its long duration and low dps start to have any real impact.

Definitely a good epic, but far more situational than the bards.

That's not true really. In a group using root CC any DoT class boosts your kill rate by softening up the rooted mobs, and a manafree DoT with solid net damage is nice. The real reason is that so few epic shamans can be bothered to group in the first place. (I know if I had a shaman he'd become my goto solo toon the second he got his epic.)