I have never played a Monk

[Colgate 2.0]

that's why you tag it again, see what comes, feign, and then go from there

i feel like people are overcomplicating very simple mechanics

standing up from a feign with a successful sneak = memblur for any mob that you're technically behind, which is like a 270 degree arc

[Heywood]

Originally Posted by Colgate 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's why you tag it again, see what comes, feign, and then go from there

i feel like people are overcomplicating very simple mechanics

standing up from a feign with a successful sneak = memblur for any mob that you're technically behind, which is like a 270 degree arc

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[Spyder73]

yea - FD and Sneak can and should be used in conjunction with each other. There is no benefit to waiting to hit sneak. I completely disagree about not making a FD+Sneak macro, its invaluable to me. I do however have the manual keys up so that i can use them situationally - i concede there are times when you don't want to sneak after FD, or you need to just hit FD solo, ect, ect. ....That doesn't mean a <stopattack - pause - FD - pause - sneak> macro is useless.

[Efwan]

Originally Posted by Colgate 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's why you tag it again, see what comes, feign, and then go from there

i feel like people are overcomplicating very simple mechanics

standing up from a feign with a successful sneak = memblur for any mob that you're technically behind, which is like a 270 degree arc

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[Efwan]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea - FD and Sneak can and should be used in conjunction with each other. There is no benefit to waiting to hit sneak. I completely disagree about not making a FD+Sneak macro, its invaluable to me. I do however have the manual keys up so that i can use them situationally - i concede there are times when you don't want to sneak after FD, or you need to just hit FD solo, ect, ect. ....That doesn't mean a <stopattack - pause - FD - pause - sneak> macro is useless.

I wouldn't say it's useless, just not ideal because of latency issues etc when trying to use macros like that, such as /pause commands in a CH rotation.. alot of guilds do use it but ideally each person in the ch chain will count out the 4 seconds and manually push the spell for a pause 40 etc

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Snots, this is the way it works. Try it. I am not sure how it used to work or how it is supposed to work, only how it does work (on red, up through mid 50's) 100% of the time that sneak is successful. Just because you haven't noticed or don't understand a mechanic doesn't mean it works the way you think it does. If sneak is successful before the mobs begin to path back, they all leave at the same time and they will continue to leave at the same time on subsequent FDs. I'd encourage you to test it before arguing further ^^

This is NOT accurate info.

Also, I don't recommend making a FD macro that turns off auto attack. Train yourself to do it manually and it will go off instantly. The macro has a lag associated with it.

My tip is to make sure you aren't clicking skills. Bind everything to a key, even the sit/stand button. F for Feign Death, G for sit/stand and V for sneak works well for me. They are all right next to each other for easy access. I have kick bound to E.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Colgate 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also i have no idea what this maskedmelon guy is talking about in regards to sneaking while feigning having any bearing on how/when mobs will turn around to path back

There was/is a bug where if you stood while sneaking (and all targets were facing away) that you would get an automatic memblur. If you wait to start sneaking until all the targets are facing away, then if it works you will get a memblur. So he has a rule that is sufficient, just not optimal.

FD splitting is really easy on this server. Tag, run away, FD, sneak, wait for all targets to turn around, stand up, target the closest one, tag again, infinite singles. Casters make it a *little* tricker but once you have enough cash to afford forged javelins then usually you can start working at a corner.

What is mildly challenging as a monk (especially after Haynar's standard no-evidence nerf to sneak) is getting the right mob out of the pack. HS south is a great playground there.

[Colgate]

yeah i'm aware that sneak memblurs everything, but the time at which you activate sneak has zero bearing on whether or not a mob is memblurred.. which i think is what he was trying to say?

unless you're trying to claim a failed sneak can memblur things depending on when you activate it? but that's not the case

there's a chance you will memblur a mob after feigning regardless of sneak or not, and that chance increases with multiple feigns against the same mob

usually after like 3 or 4 feigns it seems to be a guaranteed memblur, even if not sneaking

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Efwan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't say it's useless, just not ideal because of latency issues etc when trying to use macros like that, such as /pause commands in a CH rotation.. alot of guilds do use it but ideally each person in the ch chain will count out the 4 seconds and manually push the spell for a pause 40 etc

we use pause macros in our CH rotations, you just need to tailor the pause to the mob

think in terms of pause amounts and not actual seconds and it will work that way

i'd rather that system than expecting people to have consistent counts in their heads

the only time there's a noticeable difference is if someone hits their macro late or if they're from a different region