Guild Mentalities

[President]

Originally Posted by Jhaaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is my point, doesnt matter how long people play, whether it is 2 weeks or 6 months, everyone will stop playing their toon at some point. The point I was making is that you can enjoy anyone's company in a guild regardless of what lvl they are or how long they play. HIgh lvls get bored just as much as lower lvls do. Lower lvls actually have something to do, like lvl up. In reality when you invite someone into your guild you dont know how long they will be playing, and it shouldnt matter, just have fun with they during the time they are active.

There is more to this game than just raiding, that is only one aspect of it. If you limit your guild to just raiding, then your guild will miss out on the lvling up part. Guild contribution should not be just on some job performance, but contributing by bringing a good sense of humor or even some ideas that others havent thought about or information that others dont have, etc etc. None of those things have anything to do with lvl or class.

You can raid without placing lvl requirements on new people, it isnt necessary, I have seen it before in other guilds.

You don't get it.

[Rejuvenation]

You need to keep in mind that most of these guilds get a substantial amount of applications per week. Creating a level filter allows for a more managable process of selecting legitimate applicants for these guilds. I'm fortunate enough to be in a guild with very very good recruiters/applications officers, and I would hate to do their job, as it is much more work than most people would realize.

One thing you don't realize is that most people who join guilds with higher level restrictions also develop a sense of pride in joining that guild. You put in the effort to be considered a legitimate applicant, and have created a reputation that you are proud of. I don't even want to know the amount of people that start playing on this server, ready to relive the classic experience, only to walk away by the time they get to the mid-30s. I completely understand the notion of wanting to develop relationships with members of more exclusive guilds, but there are many ways of doing this.

Requiring people to reach a substantial level also allows a person to build their reputation. It's not easy to get a good indication of someones personality and character by simply attending a raid with them, because honestly most people are very quiet. If you have created a good reputation, you will likely be surprised by the support of guild members who witnessed your behavior that are in the guild you are applying to.

Let's be honest...leveling to 46 doesn't take skill, it takes time and patience. These are two characteristics that's most top end guilds really require for its members. Requirements may be annoying, but they are just like waiting out that long camp to finally get that item that you wanted so badly. You will appreciate it more and won't take your opportunities for granted.

When you were a freshman in college, did you honestly know what you wanted to do with your life? Probably not. Leveling without concern of other guilds gives you the time to listen to server drama and play the field to see what guild you really would fit in to best. I'm sorry that you feel that you arent being given a chance, but in the long run, the journey will help you more than you probably would assume.

[Jhaaz]

Originally Posted by Rejuvenation [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to keep in mind that most of these guilds get a substantial amount of applications per week. Creating a level filter allows for a more managable process of selecting legitimate applicants for these guilds. I'm fortunate enough to be in a guild with very very good recruiters/applications officers, and I would hate to do their job, as it is much more work than most people would realize.

One thing you don't realize is that most people who join guilds with higher level restrictions also develop a sense of pride in joining that guild. You put in the effort to be considered a legitimate applicant, and have created a reputation that you are proud of. I don't even want to know the amount of people that start playing on this server, ready to relive the classic experience, only to walk away by the time they get to the mid-30s. I completely understand the notion of wanting to develop relationships with members of more exclusive guilds, but there are many ways of doing this.

Requiring people to reach a substantial level also allows a person to build their reputation. It's not easy to get a good indication of someones personality and character by simply attending a raid with them, because honestly most people are very quiet. If you have created a good reputation, you will likely be surprised by the support of guild members who witnessed your behavior that are in the guild you are applying to.

Let's be honest...leveling to 46 doesn't take skill, it takes time and patience. These are two characteristics that's most top end guilds really require for its members. Requirements may be annoying, but they are just like waiting out that long camp to finally get that item that you wanted so badly. You will appreciate it more and won't take your opportunities for granted.

When you were a freshman in college, did you honestly know what you wanted to do with your life? Probably not. Leveling without concern of other guilds gives you the time to listen to server drama and play the field to see what guild you really would fit in to best. I'm sorry that you feel that you arent being given a chance, but in the long run, the journey will help you more than you probably would assume.

Easy, eliminate the application process, its worthless anyway, you dont know what someone is like until they been in your guild for a little while anyway. Doesnt matter if a guy stops playing at 30th or 10th or whatever, really doesnt, the people that are higher lvl in the guild will still raid regardless, so that aurguement doesnt hold water. In other words, lower lvl people have no impact on a guilds ability to raid. If your short on a class to raid with, you can advertise that you need some 46th lvl + of XXXX class, that doesnt mean that you need to stop accepting lower lvl people, ...one thing doesnt affect the other. The only reason to have a 46th lvl requirement on all members is elitism, IE: chest thumping mentallity. Most of the games memories are lvling up with new friends, kinda hard to do that in a guild that only accepts 46th lvl or higher toons.

[Cyrius]

Sorry, but you obviously have no clue.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Cyrius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, but you obviously have no clue.

I'm totally getting a clue right now.

[Tillan]

I have a raging clue right now

[jeffd]

Originally Posted by Jhaaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

blah blah

why would you want to join a guild whose policies you disagree with anyway?

there are plenty of mass-recruiting casual guilds - go join one.

[Cyrius]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm totally getting a clue right now.

get-a-clue!

[Savok]

I have 11+ years on Live playing a bard (and still do). I raid 3 - 5 times a week.
I admin theconcerthall.net and am involved with the communities there and here. I'm not an asshat.

Yet because I'm only level 11 I would have no chance of joining a bigger raiding guild. Its not because of my skill but because of my level. Nobody in a guild has any idea of how good I am until they saw me in action (or know me from Live) and I wouldn't expect them too.

My current guild is all but dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] so if anyone feel like PL'ing up an experienced bard I'll take any offers!

[Odeseus]

I have 11+ years on Live playing a bard (and still do). I raid 3 - 5 times a week.
I admin theconcerthall.net and am involved with the communities there and here. I'm not an asshat.

This right here is the key to the whole argument. You claim to be very experienced and a good player (and you probably are), but how do I know you're not just BSing me? How can I prove what you say is accurate?

Talking with you could give me some sense, but just because you know a ton doesn't mean you can execute. So that doesn't tell the whole story.

I can group with you, but at level 11, you don't have nearly all of the spells and skills that you will at endgame. Nor are the encounters at 11 tough enough for me to know if you're really good or if the mobs are just easy.

I can do a bunch of independent research to see if you are who you claim you are. But do I want to spend this much time for EACH person that expresses interest? No one has that much time?

Sorry, but claiming you're totally awesome doesn't matter a whole lot. I could claim the same thing, and even a horrible player will claim it. We all think we are exceptional players, even when we are not.

It is true that level is a rather arbitrary measuring stick, but it is the easiest measuring stick to use. And when it comes down to it, that ease is probably why it is used instead of any other sort of way to see if you are up to snuff for a guild.