<Rampage> making a return?

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Gozuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even years down the road the fact remains that this was a selfish dirtbag move by those who woke the sleeper and anybody who willingly participated can never be known as a "server good guy."

How many warders do you think you mom and pop guilds would have killed if the sleeper was still up?

[kotton05]

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[Briscoe]

The only thing I lament about waking the Sleeper is that some members of Rampage weren't able to be there that night. It was a fun moment and our guild worked hard to get to that point.

Initially I was a bit ambivalent on how I felt about it, but looking back on it now, I don't feel any guilt and I don't think we really took much of anything from anyone. It's just a convenient outlet for people to channel their blind hate of guilds at the top end of the raid scene.

It's easy to resort to the "greedy" argument, but it's a weak one. How many people have honestly had something taken away from them by us waking the Sleeper when we did? If you want a primal, you can still get a primal. You can't get a shroud or a SoD or a gnome mask now, but how many people came to P99 with the sole purpose of getting one of those anyway? Again, if anything I feel sorry for the Rampage members who didn't get one of those items.

The other false idea that gets advanced is this notion that if we didn't wake him, then no one else would have by now, which is of course not true.

Over two years later and we still have a vocal minority that is upset over this for specious reasons, but I think the majority of people on P99 either don't care, or thought it was neat:

[Mon Feb 01 00:31:27 2016] Valse shouts, 'grats rampage on the sleeper thing tonight. thanks for streaming so the rest of us could watch it! =P'

[Tipsyer]

What wouldn't be classic is every other end game tank to be dual wielding sod's. or numerous gnome bard/rogues running around biting ankles. or grey robes for days.

Waking him is about as classic as it gets.

How long did a majority of those people wait through classic and kunark here? Yeah... If you expected anything different you're fooling yourself.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Briscoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing I lament about waking the Sleeper is that some members of Rampage weren't able to be there that night. It was a fun moment and our guild worked hard to get to that point.

Initially I was a bit ambivalent on how I felt about it, but looking back on it now, I don't feel any guilt and I don't think we really took much of anything from anyone. It's just a convenient outlet for people to channel their blind hate of guilds at the top end of the raid scene.

It's easy to resort to the "greedy" argument, but it's a weak one. How many people have honestly had something taken away from them by us waking the Sleeper when we did? If you want a primal, you can still get a primal. You can't get a shroud or a SoD or a gnome mask now, but how many people came to P99 with the sole purpose of getting one of those anyway? Again, if anything I feel sorry for the Rampage members who didn't get one of those items.

The other false idea that gets advanced is this notion that if we didn't wake him, then no one else would have by now, which is of course not true.

Over two years later and we still have a vocal minority that is upset over this for specious reasons, but I think the majority of people on P99 either don't care, or thought it was neat:

[Mon Feb 01 00:31:27 2016] Valse shouts, 'grats rampage on the sleeper thing tonight. thanks for streaming so the rest of us could watch it! =P'

I don't really feel too bad for them, most of the main warriors had SoD's, shrouds had started going to alts, gnome masks is the only one I can think of that several big contributors weren't able to get one but it would have become a slippery slope of gearing a never ending train of monk alts with shrouds before too much longer. I'm pretty bias'd but I like the fact that the items are rare and even now 2 years later it isn't super common to see any of the 3, in my mind that is how it should be.

I kinda wish Swage got a SoD (I don't think he got one, but I could be wrong.), and I wish Koraf had gotten a gnome mask, but those are about the only 2 off the top of my head.

[Swish2]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure Rampage members are really concerned what baler thinks about them

lol

it's also debatable you have more enemies now with your name changing bs thread

This isn't rnf sir

[Gozuk]

Originally Posted by Briscoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing I lament about waking the Sleeper is that some members of Rampage weren't able to be there that night. It was a fun moment and our guild worked hard to get to that point.

Initially I was a bit ambivalent on how I felt about it, but looking back on it now, I don't feel any guilt and I don't think we really took much of anything from anyone. It's just a convenient outlet for people to channel their blind hate of guilds at the top end of the raid scene.

It's easy to resort to the "greedy" argument, but it's a weak one. How many people have honestly had something taken away from them by us waking the Sleeper when we did? If you want a primal, you can still get a primal. You can't get a shroud or a SoD or a gnome mask now, but how many people came to P99 with the sole purpose of getting one of those anyway? Again, if anything I feel sorry for the Rampage members who didn't get one of those items.

The other false idea that gets advanced is this notion that if we didn't wake him, then no one else would have by now, which is of course not true.

Over two years later and we still have a vocal minority that is upset over this for specious reasons, but I think the majority of people on P99 either don't care, or thought it was neat:

[Mon Feb 01 00:31:27 2016] Valse shouts, 'grats rampage on the sleeper thing tonight. thanks for streaming so the rest of us could watch it! =P'

Gonna go out on a limb here and say.. Cringe.

You worked hard to get to that point? Any guild that can kill a single warder is capable of waking he Sleeper. Really no big feat here. Grats.

You guys certainly denied people of loot/content/fun. You dont think upcoming guilds like PS and AG would like a chance at some of those items? Certainly they've been working very hard to put together a sufficient force to enter ST and kill monsters. Why wouldn't they want a shot at some of the most sought after items of this era?

It's been openly admitted on the forums that the sole reason for wakening the sleeper was to deny a select few (or entire guild) under you at the time of said items. To try to make it seem like awakening the sleeper, on the only "classic" server worth a shit, was anything other a selfish, douchebag move, personal vendetta between a handful of people is complete BS.

One random person shouting "thanks for streaming it" does not reflect the mass of the server's opinion on the decision to wake him. Get off your high horse?

Inb4 26 year old dorf sim.

[Gozuk]

Originally Posted by Ramen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;DR he mad

Mad? I dunno. Offended is probably more accurate. I wouldn't be raiding ST either way, personally.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Gozuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't be raiding ST either way, personally.

We know

[Freakish]

Swage got his, it was Aldred that did not [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].