Spells: Kelin's lucid lullaby

[Ungriim]

Trying to mez all of fear would be terrible. The resist rate on the Amys to AE mez is like 70%. There are other tricks.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Brinkman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess you knew a little more about the spell that you initially stated. Ovbiously some bards must have brought this up to get it changed from single to unlimited aoe, but when it was obvious that it was overpowered and hardly ever resited, tight lip syndrome miraculously happened.

I'm not sure what you're insinuating, but I basically never used this spell since it was changed because I thought for some reason it had a level cap of 25 (instead I used Crission's Pixie Strike, which also doesn't resist enough I believe, but I've already bug reported this). I always report Bard-related exploits, and I try hard never to abuse them in game. I have no doubt that this has been abused, but that doesn't mean that every Bard abused it. I also don't think it's had that much of an impact on the raid scene (based on a bit of common sense and also what Supremacy said), but I wouldn't know for sure because I barely ever get to play.

I misinterpreted the last part of your post, I thought you were saying that the proper resist rate for this spell (ie, constant resists even on greens) was also the proper resist rate for other mezzes.

[Nizzarr]

I also don't think it's had that much of an impact on the raid scene (based on a bit of common sense and also what Supremacy said)

Thats where you're wrong. Venril sathir in KC being pulled to the zone in is one example. People instant pull it on spawn because they know they got one or two bards able to mez the whole zone if it comes to that.

Cazic thule engage is another, all mobs summoned to CT's feet? np for a bunch of bards!

Also remember TR's proud video about plane of hate aoeing? well its a direct consequence of that song being overpowered, they had 2 bards at zone in casting this song while other people pulled the zone to the "oh hi im a bard I can mez a whole zone by myself" area.

Fix please~

[Nizzarr]

not sure if this has been looked at, but this needs to be fixed.


hearty bump. is this allowed here? :P

[Nizzarr]

bump, once again, 40+ mobs mezzed by 2 bards in the Venril sathir trainfest.

Here's my proposed fix, make it go down to 4 mobs max with the current resist or pull your hairs out and add another resist check that works.

On a side note, its even worse for the zone to not let people pull VS to the zone line, the zone was a train mess for 30 minutes. If this happened during peak hours, youd have a mirrion petition to deal with. just saying!

[Nizzarr]

Do we have to do #occupykarnor to get a word on this? I'll get two naked bards and get the whole zone CC'ed at entrance for an hour or more!

[pickled_heretic]

Lullaby Trials

Me – level 40 Bard with 117 CHR and a Lute
Snake – level 1 MOB with green scales

Procedure: I turned on my attack and hit the snake once. I then turned off my attack and sat still with the Lullaby on. I did not juggle songs.

*My attack was turned off so that I would not hit the snake again and invalidate the Sleep effect.
*I did not juggle songs as Lullaby has a very short duration, and I could not be assured of putting it back to sleep in time.
*I did not move so that I would not accidentally wander out of the AoE range of Lullaby.


Trial 1
27……..Head nods (and it stays asleep – as it should)
00……..Head nods (and it attacks anyway)
10……..Made save (and it attacks – as it should)


Trial 2
19…….Head nods (and it stays asleep – as it should)
01…….Head nods (and it attacks anyway)
11…….Made save (and it attacks – as it should)

Interrupted by 2nd snake – trial ended


Trial 3
40…….Head nods (and it stays asleep – as it should)
00…….Head nods (and it attacks anyway)
17…….Made save (and it attacks – as it should)


Out of 125 “pulses” of Lullaby, only once did the snake attack after I saw its head nod.

Now, some of the confusion might come from the message:

Your target has resisted your attempt to mesmerize it.
A snake’s head nods.

You get this message when your target makes a resist, just like you get the message that your target “bursts into flames” with a fire spell, even if it saves for partial damage.

Conclusion: Vs. a level one creature, the song worked even better then I remembered it working.

-snip-

Geoffrey Zatkin
Arch Mage of Norrath
Game Designer @ Verant Interactive

Can we please get a dev to respond? This is a quote from Geoffrey Zatkin (EQ game developer) from early 2000 indicating that the aoe bard mez cast by a lvl 40 bard should be resisted 35% of the time BY A LVL 1 MOSS SNAKE with HARD DATA. I found it farming through Nizzar's links.

[kanras]

Added secondary resist check dependent on caster's level (if above 25), pending update.